The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app • Hacker News Board

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by temac » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:02 PM UTC

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #131

jibe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't why it should surprise, or bother, anyone that it is running android. Totally reasonable choice. What does it say that it is treated like some sort of gotcha? Were they supposed to build their own AIOS?

because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app

Because they want to develop their own idependent ecosystem? Similarly, why does Amazon Fire OS exists?

I mean the question is kind of vaguely legitimate, but regardeless of how it is implemented one could ask why it is not an Android app instead. They thought about it and made other choices, and might not want to publicly list all the reasons that made them choose what they did...

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by MBCook » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:07 PM UTC

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #131

jibe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't why it should surprise, or bother, anyone that it is running android. Totally reasonable choice. What does it say that it is treated like some sort of gotcha? Were they supposed to build their own AIOS?

because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app

Because no one wants to pay for apps?

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by Johnny555 » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:14 PM UTC

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #131

jibe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't why it should surprise, or bother, anyone that it is running android. Totally reasonable choice. What does it say that it is treated like some sort of gotcha? Were they supposed to build their own AIOS?

because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app

One reason was mentioned in the article:

After all, the Rabbit R1’s launcher app is intended to be preinstalled in the firmware and be granted several privileged, system-level permissions — only some of which we were able to grant — so some of the functions would likely fail if we tried

And the statement from Rabbit in the article says essentially the same:

rabbit OS and LAM run on the cloud with very bespoke AOSP and lower level firmware modifications, therefore a local bootleg APK without the proper OS and Cloud endpoints won’t be able to access our service

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by wg0 » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:15 PM UTC

Basic appeal is about form factor. Underlying OS is an Implementation detail. It could very well be running Minix or BSD.

And towards that end, it seems these devices are underpowered, drain batteries faster, require an Internet trip to do anything and that anything could often easily be hallucinations.

And that's where these AI devices don't seem to have a chance to ever even a dedicated user base.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by zitterbewegung » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:18 PM UTC

This product feels like it is ahead of its time. Local processing will be readily available eventually. Better solutions for display of information and ingest of local data.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by dvngnt_ » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:21 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #78

This entire device category is dead the second Apple & Google release their own AI assistants baked into the mobile OS.

you can already replace assistant with Gemini

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by pembrook » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:25 PM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #142

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app

Because no one wants to pay for apps?

This one actually makes a lot of sense to me.

Just from a pure marketing perspective, look at all the insane hype they were able to generate due to possibility of a new physical form factor.

There’s no way in hell they could have generated $10M in pre-orders and potentially hundreds of millions in earned media coverage for the 700th app that’s basically a chatgpt api wrapper.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by randomdata » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:29 PM UTC

gipp wrote: post #69

jayd16 wrote: post #58

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The eye catching hardware is what made this project interesting. Would we be talking about this at all if it was just an app?

That's their reason to make it a stand-alone device. What is my reason to want it to be a stand-alone device?

There is unlikely any reason for you, someone who spends his time posting anonymously on an Internet forum, to want this.

But there is population out there who like to go outside and show off their fancy things to other real, live people. They are the intended audience.

Yes, it very well may be that this is not fancy enough to win anyone over, but such is the nature of business. Not everything is a hit. Even successful companies like Apple and Google that you would think should know with certainty what people want have had their fair share of flops. You really don't know until you try.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by dan_quixote » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:30 PM UTC

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #131

jibe wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't why it should surprise, or bother, anyone that it is running android. Totally reasonable choice. What does it say that it is treated like some sort of gotcha? Were they supposed to build their own AIOS?

because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app

> why it's not just an app

If it's just an app...their hardware has no reason to exist AND they are competing directly with Google/Microsoft.

Re: The Rabbit R1 is probably running Android and is powered by an Android app

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Post by brevitea » Wed, May 01, 2024, 5:34 PM UTC

cogman10 wrote: post #84

thih9 wrote: post #83

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Siri is no longer seen as an AI assistant, at least not with the post-chatgpt meaning of the word 'AI'.

I agree, it is a looks problem. Capability wise, Siri and Google assistant do most of what rabbit did. They are well positioned to be able to expand every bit as quickly as rabbit can.

One notable difference is that Apple and Google don't have your interaction data at the end of the day. Well, unless Rabbit sells it to them.