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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by bequanna »

ta1243 wrote: post #129
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

Obama was erudite and clear headed. Clinton and Bush I were fine too.

Obama was charismatic and an excellent speaker.

But overall, a pretty middling presidency in terms of actual accomplishments.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by paulddraper »

WillAdams wrote: post #42
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

The thing which kills me is that I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from: - I am selling my family farm because I don't want there to be a perception of influence. to: - I am keeping all of my companies and property and will be charging the Secret Service which has the duty to protect me room and board. That said, the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous --- it's _hard_ to bring an obje…

> I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from

I agree.

This isn't anything new, but I suspect it has to do with a much more fractured sense of national identity, and shared core values.

That engenders a "us vs them", "take what is mine" attitude, from top to bottom.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by runarberg »

andsoitis wrote: post #135
runarberg wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crime of apartheid under international law only looks at existing regimes and whether they apply oppression along racial lines. It does not include provisions on historic oppression done by the ancestors of the currently oppressed. That would be ridiculous. So saying: “But they did it to a different people, dozens of generations ago” is not admissible as a justification for the crime of apartheid for the ICC. In…

People are using “apartheid” without the technical, legal meaning and that is what I have a problem with. Here is a list of countries that have been accused of apartheid: - China - India - Iran - Israel - Malaysia - Myanmar - North Korea - Nigeria - Qatar - Saudi Arabia - Soviet Union - Sudan - United States I would be interested to know whether any country, other than South Africa, has been found guilty of the crime…

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by reducesuffering »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #62
jdewerd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, right? Of course, the American Electorate was quick to rectify its accidental moment of sanity by promptly voting him out after he installed Volcker and hiked rates to the moon (and then rewriting history to say that Carter was a bad president and Reagan tamed inflation). He was not the president we deserved, but he was the president we needed.

Carter is straight up the best president we’ve had since FDR and yes I will die on that hill, specifically I will die on the hill which says that Carter was way better than JFK. Carter is straight up the best individual person we have elected in 100+ years. Glad to see at least HN agrees that he was based.

Now that you mention it, Carter onward, it seems like every Republican was wealthy and Democrat fairly middle class. Carter and Clinton were famously not rich during their presidencies. Biden was little known that he was one of the "poorest" in the Senate.

Meanwhile, Reagan was wealthy, the Bushes were oil wealth, Romney was a very wealthy Bain founder and CEO, and Trump obviously.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by reducesuffering »

paulddraper wrote: post #139
sgnelson wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jimmy Carter may have been one of the most decent human beings the US has ever had as a President. I think the way that the Republican party treated (both then and now) a southern, small family farmer who served in the military and taught Sunday school is one of those ironies that shows what values the Republican party actually believes in. And this has obviously only accelerated massively since Trump.

I find people to be inconsistent. This conversation has happened more than once: "I really like Carter's presidency because he was a good person." "Oh so you must hate Clinton." "Well, you can't judge a president based on his personal life." "..."

Ok so you're assuming Clinton was a terrible person, I'm assuming off of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Is there anything else to reach that conclusion?

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by adamomada »

likeabbas wrote: post #94
stavros wrote: post #3

Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

Here's a pretty decent video of one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBdEeHYDuyc

I couldn’t even take a video of an enormous search & rescue flare on a chute less than 1 km away at night and have it show up. If that’s legit, those lights must have been blinding

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by v3ss0n »

WillAdams wrote: post #131
adammichaelc wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting American humans have reached the pinnacle of understanding how the Universe works? With our technology, we could easily avoid being seen by a hunter-gatherer society. Do you imagine that your society does not have similar blind spots? How much arrogance there is in the modern Euro-centric world. Because the society has explored beyond what our grandparents believed possible, suddenly we are the pin…

I'm thinking more about the hard limits of physics. Consider for example the "one-electron" hypothesis --- a far simpler take on it is that the electron is a fundamental particle and that we are nearing an end-game of understanding sub-atomic physics and realizing Einstein's dream of a grand-unified theory --- the universe doesn't seem to be shaped and formed so as to allow for FTL, so one instead needs to work withi…

Watch the tictac UFO cases where topguns, top physics, weapon systems experts cannot explain.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by v3ss0n »

WillAdams wrote: post #42
vertnerd wrote: post #16

"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

The thing which kills me is that I am still mystified (and outraged) by how in my lifetime we went from: - I am selling my family farm because I don't want there to be a perception of influence. to: - I am keeping all of my companies and property and will be charging the Secret Service which has the duty to protect me room and board. That said, the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous --- it's _hard_ to bring an obje…

Watch the nitmitz-tictac UFO case where topguns, top physics, weapon systems experts cannot explain. several high ranking witness there.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by bitcharmer »

WillAdams wrote: post #115
sandworm101 wrote: post #83

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So many preconceptions. Firstly, what exactly does "speeds with allow interstellar travel" entail? A being that was functionally immortal wouldn't care about travel times. And why assume that interstellar travel is even required? There is no solid reason why extraterrestrials need to huddle around stars. They might live in the void between stars. Heck, there could be millions of truck-sized UFOs dancing around in "ou…

See my reply elsethread --- a truck sized enclosure isn't reasonable for life support and so forth.

Not a strong believer in LGM but I don't like your statement for two reasons:

1) life may take different forms, some of which we probably haven't even dreamt about

2) life is not necessary for inter-stellar probes to exist. In fact it probably makes more sense to make these things entirely artificial

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Post by bitcharmer »

WillAdams wrote: post #114
dahart wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the whole UFO thing is pretty ridiculous Wait, which UFO thing are you referring to? Carter never thought it was anything extraterrestrial, he stated that he assumed it was a natural or man-made event. Are you saying it’s strange that some people believe in aliens?

I think it's strange to believe that a starship could enter the solar system without being noticed due to the requirements of: - velocity --- it would need to be moving quickly and would have to decelerate (requires energy) to do more than pass through - life support/technology requirements and attendant heat signature --- interstellar space is _cold_ and not conducive to either, so requires on-going energy output -…

I think you heavily overestimate our capabilities to detect (even large objects) entering the solar system. Also, why do you assume there would have to be life present on-board?
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