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Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by kevinmchugh »

bllguo wrote: post #103
mschuster91 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, absolutely, and it can be seen for example in suicide rates [1], or the weird state of Japanese criminal justice where prosecutors will only go for nailed-shut cases so that they don't "lose face" (while society as a whole suffers) [2], not to mention the entire issue surrounding "forced confessions". [1] https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Asia-Insight/Youth-suicide... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ju…

yes of course, the enlightened Americans are so much better at handling crime. pointing at western justice systems to say that western values are superior - this must be satire?

This seems like an uncharitable reading. I don't think there was a comparison made.

Any justice system with a very high conviction rate is either unjust or extremely selective. The American federal government is also extremely selective in prosecution, and for the same reason. Losing makes the prosecutor look bad.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by keepamovin »

hackeraccount wrote: post #109
keepamovin wrote: post #87

I have a bizarre theory that 1 - 1.5 packs of cigarettes per year is actually beneficial for health. This theory has two parts: - small amounts of nicotine occsaionnaly are excellent for the brain - the innoculatory effects of small occasional acute exposure to toxins and carcinogens preemptively activates and trains your body and its immune system to respond to the types of things that cause damage. Basically by act…

I have a similar theory about car accidents. I get in one every couple of years because I think that I'll be able react more quickly to them if I'd never experienced it at all. :-). Slightly more seriously, I hope your cigarette plan works out for you.

Hahahaha! :)

I mean, if you told me you were doing a defensive driving course i’d be like hell yeah!

You know that would keep your skills sharp, and the accidents would be a result of those stressors.

Haha. I suppose the obvious difference is a car “accident” depending on how controlled it is could kill you. Whereas a handful of cigarettes is not going to kill you.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by keepamovin »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #116
hackeraccount wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a similar theory about car accidents. I get in one every couple of years because I think that I'll be able react more quickly to them if I'd never experienced it at all. :-). Slightly more seriously, I hope your cigarette plan works out for you.

Exactly, or like allowing your kid occasional exposure to allergens hoping it will help them avoid allergies and asthma later on. In reality of course, no amount of cleanliness could possibly be too clean.

Really? You need widespread exposure to build your immune system. That’s what I thought. Haha

Though truth be told, I did read your comment as sarcasm, supportive of my position or humorously mocking the outrageous comparison example of car accidents ha ha

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by defrost »

keepamovin wrote: post #143
hackeraccount wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a similar theory about car accidents. I get in one every couple of years because I think that I'll be able react more quickly to them if I'd never experienced it at all. :-). Slightly more seriously, I hope your cigarette plan works out for you.

Hahahaha! :) I mean, if you told me you were doing a defensive driving course i’d be like hell yeah! You know that would keep your skills sharp, and the accidents would be a result of those stressors. Haha. I suppose the obvious difference is a car “accident” depending on how controlled it is could kill you. Whereas a handful of cigarettes is not going to kill you.

We had no milk for a week in the 1970s.

The driver of the road train bringing groceries up the west coast highway flicked a cigarette out the window that blew straight back in and into his eye causing him to over steer a roll a prime mover and two trailers.

You're correct that it didn't kill him, but it was a close call that could've gone that way.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by DoreenMichele »

keepamovin wrote: post #87

I have a bizarre theory that 1 - 1.5 packs of cigarettes per year is actually beneficial for health. This theory has two parts: - small amounts of nicotine occsaionnaly are excellent for the brain - the innoculatory effects of small occasional acute exposure to toxins and carcinogens preemptively activates and trains your body and its immune system to respond to the types of things that cause damage. Basically by act…

Humorously, the CDC claims smoking lowers mortality for people prone to depression:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37923037

(Ignore the downvotes this will likely get. People seem to knee-jerk have an issue with me saying anything at all about health. It's meaningless noise.)

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by [deleted] »

bllguo wrote: post #103
mschuster91 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, absolutely, and it can be seen for example in suicide rates [1], or the weird state of Japanese criminal justice where prosecutors will only go for nailed-shut cases so that they don't "lose face" (while society as a whole suffers) [2], not to mention the entire issue surrounding "forced confessions". [1] https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Asia-Insight/Youth-suicide... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ju…

yes of course, the enlightened Americans are so much better at handling crime. pointing at western justice systems to say that western values are superior - this must be satire?

[deleted]

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by seeknotfind »

timerol wrote: post #127

> Over 50% of Asian American women who have lung cancer have never smoked Is this really that surprising, considering that only 2.6%[1] of Asian American women smoke? If 0% of Asian American women smoked, then 100% of the lung cancer cases would come from non-smokers. As it is, the group with the lowest percentage of smokers should have the highest percentage of lung cancer cases in non-smokers. The article gives no…

Yeah this exactly. How does this kind of thing get published? It's blatant fear mongering.

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by keepamovin »

defrost wrote: post #145
keepamovin wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hahahaha! :) I mean, if you told me you were doing a defensive driving course i’d be like hell yeah! You know that would keep your skills sharp, and the accidents would be a result of those stressors. Haha. I suppose the obvious difference is a car “accident” depending on how controlled it is could kill you. Whereas a handful of cigarettes is not going to kill you.

We had no milk for a week in the 1970s. The driver of the road train bringing groceries up the west coast highway flicked a cigarette out the window that blew straight back in and into his eye causing him to over steer a roll a prime mover and two trailers. You're correct that it didn't kill him, but it was a close call that could've gone that way.

Oh hahahah. That's a great story, but I think you might be missing the point of taking a cigarette. Hahahah! :)

Ah the endless interactions between between vehicles and cigarettes. Don't know why this came to me but in Taiwan, a massive rail tragedy was caused when a utility truck for some kind of maintenance rolled backwards down an embankment and onto a rail line at the mouth of a tunnel. The train was either entering or exiting (I forget which) and dozens of people were killed. All because a much smaller vehicle parked unsafely or forgot the handbrake!!!

Re: Asian American women are getting lung cancer despite never smoking

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Post by keepamovin »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #146
keepamovin wrote: post #87

I have a bizarre theory that 1 - 1.5 packs of cigarettes per year is actually beneficial for health. This theory has two parts: - small amounts of nicotine occsaionnaly are excellent for the brain - the innoculatory effects of small occasional acute exposure to toxins and carcinogens preemptively activates and trains your body and its immune system to respond to the types of things that cause damage. Basically by act…

Humorously, the CDC claims smoking lowers mortality for people prone to depression: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37923037 (Ignore the downvotes this will likely get. People seem to knee-jerk have an issue with me saying anything at all about health. It's meaningless noise.)

I guess that makes sense. I mean I'm not depressed and I never have been but I know that cigarettes gave stability to a lot of friends I had when younger who had those kind of issues. Less likely to fall off the deep end and probably kept them more functional and taking care of themselves.

Does it make them less depressed?

As an aside on the downvotes: i mean, whatever works for you! People downvote but they're not you, and your body is gonna be unique. Everything can work differently for different people.

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