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Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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They do release the source mapping of the java version alongside the binary. Which can be used to decompile the whole game back to compilable java file. (And you can fiddle it around starting from there). It's source available if you do own the game. So I say 'basically'. The bedrock version on the other hand is completely proprietary. With very little extension api exposed. So there is very few mods of them.

That's decompiled source and while, for Java at least, it can be pretty usable, it's actually going to differ in many ways from the original source due to optimization and obfuscation. I'm fairly sure neither Mojang nor Microsoft were particularly pleased about this, indeed their use of obfuscation implies they want to make your life more difficult doing it. I think your point is that the Java version at least is eas…

The source map is released by mojang itself.

Before this exists, there is a community project to de-obfuscate naming back to readable human names. And it usually took about a month after new minecraft version released. But this is no longer needed because mojang now release the actual mapping.

So microsoft(mojang) do want to make modders live easier out of own willing. Not just because it is java. Or they don't really need to publish that at all.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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> Iran is one of those dictatorships where the majority of the population already dislikes (or plain hates) the government... Right, just like the people of Afghanistan must have hated so much the Taliban, with their cruel and tyrannic grip on power... just waiting for a saviour like the Americans to bring them up to the modern age... Well, we all know that's a load of bullshit now. The very moment the Americans left…

I don't think this is what they were saying. The political and economic state in Iran is about as far from Afghanistan as possible. Iran/Persia has a long history of national identity and has a highly organized society. Afghanistan is a tribal region and still does not have a sense of nation or really a mature sense of political identity. Iran is also a major power player in Asia with a far stronger economy, with a G…

Very valid points. But how would you be able to tell whether the majority of Iranians aren't happy with their Government with confidence?

I find that difficult to believe because, if that were the case, at some point, specially because of all the reasons you mentioned, the people would just get over it and kick the current Government out of office for good?! It may be bloody, but if the people really want it, it's not unreasonable to assume, IMHO, that the military would be onboard with it?? Once the military is on board, there's nothing the politicians and cleric can do to stop it as in a revolution, the only thing that matters is physical power.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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It's not all about preventing the creation of nuclear weapons. It's also about making sure the common person in $SANCTIONED_COUNTRY feels the pain. User UncleEntity says it better than I could in a comment that is buried a few levels: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40158797

I applaud sanctions because this time Iran simply went too far. It is completely unprecedented that Iran bombed the consulate if Israel. This is an incredibly reckless escalation of violence.

it's not like Iran has a problem with Israeli embassies being bombed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_emba...

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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Barely a week goes by without some variant of "Iranian Hackers" in the tech/security press - maybe, inshallah, they could release a version that lets you play on Iran-hosted servers without needing to connect to the US for a login?

No, they don't need a 'new' client for that. That already exists. Since minecraft is basically open source, it's not really a secret that how to make a client that simply don't require login. (Surely you don't want to say it loud or legal team of MS is going to chase you hard, but lots of client just slip that function in silently) Besides that. The minecraft login is basically a license check allow you to join 'lega…

True. But the average kid, whether in Iran or the US, might not have the skills to edit the JAR or whatever is needed to disable the licence check.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

#145

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That's decompiled source and while, for Java at least, it can be pretty usable, it's actually going to differ in many ways from the original source due to optimization and obfuscation. I'm fairly sure neither Mojang nor Microsoft were particularly pleased about this, indeed their use of obfuscation implies they want to make your life more difficult doing it. I think your point is that the Java version at least is eas…

The source map is released by mojang itself. Before this exists, there is a community project to de-obfuscate naming back to readable human names. And it usually took about a month after new minecraft version released. But this is no longer needed because mojang now release the actual mapping. So microsoft(mojang) do want to make modders live easier out of own willing. Not just because it is java. Or they don't reall…

Ok, it seems we're both right in a sense. They do release obfuscation maps to help modders. However, they are adamant that this does not make Minecraft open source. I'd also be a bit surprised if they include in those maps the source of DRM/online activation components (relevant to the original topic).

https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1169242801508376582

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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IRI is likely in control of IRGC at this point. They summoned ambassadors the other week with FM completely out of the loop! The revolutionary courts just ignored the supreme court's judgment and sentenced Toomaj Salahi -- a rap artist that expressed the voice of the people in his dissident songs -- to death. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/iran-rap... Btw, HN, that young man's life can be saved.…

IRI is the acronym for Iran's official name, Islamic Republic of Iran. I'm reading this as Iran is in control of Iran's Revolutionary Guard. What are you referring to exactly in your first sentence?

First of all, the I in IRGC stands for Islamic and not Iran. In fact, neither their logo or any of their patches mentions the word IRAN.

As my beloved homeland is, imo, under effective coercive occupation of Islamist ideologues (there is not a even hint of godliness in that regime) it is preferred that you refer to the regime by its name IRI and not cast calumny on the beauty that is IRAN.

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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The source map is released by mojang itself. Before this exists, there is a community project to de-obfuscate naming back to readable human names. And it usually took about a month after new minecraft version released. But this is no longer needed because mojang now release the actual mapping. So microsoft(mojang) do want to make modders live easier out of own willing. Not just because it is java. Or they don't reall…

Ok, it seems we're both right in a sense. They do release obfuscation maps to help modders. However, they are adamant that this does not make Minecraft open source. I'd also be a bit surprised if they include in those maps the source of DRM/online activation components (relevant to the original topic). https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1169242801508376582

Also, I looked at one of these things, and it's just class names, method names, and source line/column numbers. There's no comments, no variable or parameter names, no original source lines, and no hints about what optimizations or inline obfuscations were done.

https://launcher.mojang.com/v1/objects/a981dbf4095dbb2ffb078...

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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I applaud sanctions because this time Iran simply went too far. It is completely unprecedented that Iran bombed the consulate if Israel. This is an incredibly reckless escalation of violence.

it's not like Iran has a problem with Israeli embassies being bombed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_emba...

Terrorism should be condemned. The article specifically states that they weren't state actors. As opposed to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

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IRI is the acronym for Iran's official name, Islamic Republic of Iran. I'm reading this as Iran is in control of Iran's Revolutionary Guard. What are you referring to exactly in your first sentence?

First of all, the I in IRGC stands for Islamic and not Iran. In fact, neither their logo or any of their patches mentions the word IRAN. As my beloved homeland is, imo, under effective coercive occupation of Islamist ideologues (there is not a even hint of godliness in that regime) it is preferred that you refer to the regime by its name IRI and not cast calumny on the beauty that is IRAN.

I wasn't trying to imply that is its official name, but I have heard it referred to as just the Revolutionary Guard or Iran's Revolutionary Guard(s).

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/irans-revolutionary-guards

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-revolutionar...

Re: Today Microsoft Banned My Country Iran from Minecraft

#150

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First of all, the I in IRGC stands for Islamic and not Iran. In fact, neither their logo or any of their patches mentions the word IRAN. As my beloved homeland is, imo, under effective coercive occupation of Islamist ideologues (there is not a even hint of godliness in that regime) it is preferred that you refer to the regime by its name IRI and not cast calumny on the beauty that is IRAN.

I wasn't trying to imply that is its official name, but I have heard it referred to as just the Revolutionary Guard or Iran's Revolutionary Guard(s). https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/irans-revolutionary-guards https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-revolutionar...

Well, whoever does that is trying to confuse matters. Call them by their name and now you can parse my OP correctly. /end
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