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Post by vetinari »

londons_explore wrote: post #124
chiefalchemist wrote: post #119

In terms of revenue relative to their search / ads biz, how big of a deal is this? I understand there's name recognition for Chrome and Android, but the Pixel product line is nothing when compared to the iPhone or even Samsung. Is this more of just Google being Google, as the ads side of the house continues to print more money than God?

Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels. No mobile contracts include a pixel phone. Many mobile contracts have iphones or samsungs attached.

They are failing in being present in markets; Google won't sell in more than half of EU countries at all; never mind the countries outside EU, Google sells only in a handful.

Meanwhile, Samsung products are widely available and marketed everywhere.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by IshKebab »

tempodox wrote: post #117

I'm curious to see how the new HardChromeDroid division will fare. I cannot imagine that lumping hardware and software together in one division is a particularly good idea, but I'm open to surprises.

> I cannot imagine that lumping hardware and software together in one division is a particularly good idea

In my experience not doing that is a bad idea. Hardware and software depend on each other. There should be good communication between them.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by Rinzler89 »

londons_explore wrote: post #124
chiefalchemist wrote: post #119

In terms of revenue relative to their search / ads biz, how big of a deal is this? I understand there's name recognition for Chrome and Android, but the Pixel product line is nothing when compared to the iPhone or even Samsung. Is this more of just Google being Google, as the ads side of the house continues to print more money than God?

Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels. No mobile contracts include a pixel phone. Many mobile contracts have iphones or samsungs attached.

>Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels.

No, Pixel HW fails because it's shit: weak call signal reception and 5G performance due to poor Samsung modem, low performance compared to Apple and Qualcomm, high battery drain, overheating, software bugs that get in the way of you dialing calls, dimples in OLED display, poor design with ultra thick visor, questionable warranty support, AI features only exclusive to the US market but not EU making them useless, etc. Much of the issues that do not exist on Apple and Samsung phones.

Carriers go with Apple and Samsung because those brands are a slam dunk with consumers, are well known and mostly reliable by this point with fewer lemons, and when they do fail, there's service centers for them everywhere. Pixels are mostly bought by enthusiasts who will forgive the rough edges for the chance of being Google's software beta testers.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by rchaud »

londons_explore wrote: post #124
chiefalchemist wrote: post #119

In terms of revenue relative to their search / ads biz, how big of a deal is this? I understand there's name recognition for Chrome and Android, but the Pixel product line is nothing when compared to the iPhone or even Samsung. Is this more of just Google being Google, as the ads side of the house continues to print more money than God?

Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels. No mobile contracts include a pixel phone. Many mobile contracts have iphones or samsungs attached.

Because those are phones people want. Their ads are splashed everywhere. Pixel phones are not enough to get people to sign up with a carrier.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by rchaud »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #143
londons_explore wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels. No mobile contracts include a pixel phone. Many mobile contracts have iphones or samsungs attached.

>Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels. No, Pixel HW fails because it's shit: weak call signal reception and 5G performance due to poor Samsung modem, low performance compared to Apple and Qualcomm, high battery drain, overheating, software bugs that get in the way of you dialing calls, dimples in OLED display, poor design with ultra thick visor, questionable warranty support, AI fea…

Not to mention that Pixel doesn't provide anything that you couldn't already get on a Samsung.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by gruez »

londons_explore wrote: post #124
chiefalchemist wrote: post #119

In terms of revenue relative to their search / ads biz, how big of a deal is this? I understand there's name recognition for Chrome and Android, but the Pixel product line is nothing when compared to the iPhone or even Samsung. Is this more of just Google being Google, as the ads side of the house continues to print more money than God?

Pixel hardware fails because they don't have good distribution channels. No mobile contracts include a pixel phone. Many mobile contracts have iphones or samsungs attached.

>No mobile contracts include a pixel phone.

What country is this? In the US at least you can get pixel phones through the major carriers.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by IshKebab »

candiddevmike wrote: post #138
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already did, in DSPA. The (dysfunctional) PA that brought out the Nest products, etc. Now they're swallowing Android and Chrome. In theory, this could lead to executing in a consistent way. E.g. not having 5+ distributions of Linux and competing platforms fighting over who will rule on some new product. In practice, it's not going to go well.

Is Fuchsia still a thing?

Yes. https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/+log

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by serial_dev »

It feels like a large bundle to me, so they probably want to go for selling phones and computers much more heavily? Sounds interesting if you are okay with going all in with Google stuff, I'm not sure it's good news if you are using Android or Chrome otherwise.

Also, it feels like this merger will lead to a similar article to Hixie's in about 5 years:

> A symptom of this is the spreading contingent of inept middle management. Take XYZ, for example, who manages the department that somewhat arbitrarily contains (among other things) Flutter, Dart, Go, and Firebase. Her department nominally has a strategy, but I couldn't leak it if I wanted to; I literally could never figure out what any part of it meant, even after years of hearing her describe it.

https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627373&count=1

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by HenryBemis »

tempodox wrote: post #117

I'm curious to see how the new HardChromeDroid division will fare. I cannot imagine that lumping hardware and software together in one division is a particularly good idea, but I'm open to surprises.

My thoughts on this, is how will the Hardware convenience, with the Chrome-track-every-breath will dictate the Android/Operating System.

Android as-is does enough monitoring, and reporting back home. I fear it will make it worse for the Android users of non-Google devices, in 3-to-5 years.

Re: Google’s newly formed 'Platforms and Devices' team is all about AI

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Post by Rinzler89 »

eddd-ddde wrote: post #109
boplicity wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as a teen it would be a death sentence No wonder teens these days have extremely high rates of anxiety & depression.

Honestly it's weird how this is a thing in the US. In what I believe is most of the world, people just use WhatsApp, no sms, no iMessage. Same is true for any demography as well. Maybe add some Instagram for the younger groups.

Younger groups mostly message on Snapchat not Instagram. Instagram is still mostly for pictures and "influencing".
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