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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by grugagag » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:22 AM UTC

cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

My boss is opposed to any WFH but he is working 2 days from home. Only managers have the luxury of hybrid in my little world.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by grugagag » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:23 AM UTC

warcher wrote: post #137

cookie_monsta wrote: post #69

My boss (middle management) is very staunchly opposed to more than 1 day per week of WFH. She spends about 90% of her time on video calls, so I was always confused by that until she was telling me that when she does WFH she's always distracted by other things which doesn't happen in the office. Maybe a lot of the WFH opposition is really just managers projecting their own work ethic onto others?

There is nothing in the world stupider than driving into the office to get on a video call.

I do it 5 days a week, all year round

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by sojournerc » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:26 AM UTC

ndkxmwnrbto wrote: post #61

andsoitis wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> productivity can go die. If someone on my team had that attitude I would hate to work with them. They would hold me and my projects back. So I’m glad you’re not my colleague.

your projects aren’t actually important

How do you wake up and go to work with this attitude? I've been nihilistic, but don't you think you should spend your short time on this planet doing something that matters, at least marginally?

And if not, maybe make a change?

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by sergiotapia » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:28 AM UTC

theandrewbailey wrote: post #2

A lot of business executives fall into the demographic that heavily invests into commercial real estate, which is facing some substantial depreciation. Telling everyone they need to get back to the office would help to keep those prices up. To everyone else, they have no incentive to keep fighting traffic every day (and paying for it) to go to an uncomfortable place full of maybe awful people.

To quote ishowspeed: "simple as that bro".

Who benefits from keeping everybody in these offices? People who have a financial interest in maintaining those real estate prices high.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by warcher » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:30 AM UTC

BobaFloutist wrote: post #79

diggernet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard rumors (yes, completely lacking proof) that some major banks with huge commercial loan portfolios are using those loans as leverage to coerce companies into loudly demanding return to office. That's actually pretty easy to believe, because they'd really be hurting if commercial real estate values were to plummet.

How are they using those loans as leverage? The terms are set, your student loan company couldn't make you, I don't know, tweet something you didn't want to.

Commercial leases are typically five years.

It is 2024. COVID was 2020.

If you don’t own your building you should be thinking hard about your new negotiating position with your landlord.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by straydusk » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:32 AM UTC

charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

> I get this wouldn't work as well for those with families

Your whole post is a series of contradictions where you hand wave gigantic problems and exaggerate small ones

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by warcher » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:33 AM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #89

Lammy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The drive to get people back into the office isn't due to any sunk cost on commercial real estate — it's a strategy to prevent workers from working multiple jobs simultaneously.

Where I live the act of being "over employed" is considered fraud, and can land serious penalties. Because it is fraud, when your employment agreement stipulates that you will not divide your time in some manner. https://mcmillan.ca/insights/employment-and-privacy-implicat...

That was just getting fired for cause homie. If they catch you, you are definitely getting fired.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by parpfish » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:37 AM UTC

al_borland wrote: post #99

unshavedyak wrote: post #72

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I agree about the issue with not being able to move, but i'd hardly call some of the many benefits "worst of both worlds". Avoiding the traffic, avoiding crowded offices, avoiding distractions, gaining life time back (no commute), etc - if you like it and have a proper space for it i'd still say it's a net benefit to hybrid WFM. I'm fully remote atm, but i've also done hybrid. WFM was always a benefit to me personall…

If someone has to relocate to a HCOL area for a hybrid job, the WFH days are seen by the company as a benefit, but the move to the HCOL area is generally going to be a net loss. It’s not enough of a benefit to make up for the significantly higher housing costs.

Add on that you need to get housing in that HCOL area that has enough space for an office/workstation

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by orwin » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:38 AM UTC

charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

My hybrid work is 2 days a month (one day every two weeks rather) and this allow me to live ~ 480km away from my office (300 miles), on the coast. Basically 3h10 by train+metro, which make the day quite tiring.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by aantix » Sat, Apr 13, 2024, 1:43 AM UTC

orwin wrote: post #149

charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

My hybrid work is 2 days a month (one day every two weeks rather) and this allow me to live ~ 480km away from my office (300 miles), on the coast. Basically 3h10 by train+metro, which make the day quite tiring.

Man, two days a month?

If you lived near a major airport with a direct flight, you could live almost anywhere.