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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by ForHackernews »

oarsinsync wrote: post #63
ForHackernews wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...that seems like a really good and intuitive feature. What would expect it to do instead? Close the window? Keep it on some invisible virtual desktop? (how large is the mysterious off-screen area in which windows can be lost?)

My laptop has a 15" 1080p panel. It's attached to 2x 32" 4K panels. When I'm done for the day, I turn the screens off. When I come back the next day, all my windows are on the laptop onboard display, and if I'm lucky, resized in a way that makes them movable. If I'm unlucky, I need to close the application, re-open it, and hope it's back in a helpful way. The 2x 4K panels show me my wallpaper every morning. They don'…

Suspend the machine instead? The external monitors will go to sleep when they lose the signal.

I don't know how you expect that machine to know that you're only disabling that monitor temporarily and you expect it to restore your windows at some future time when it reconnects.

If you plug in a new monitor, should windows jump onto it spontaneously?

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

#142

Post by flashgordon »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #139

Thanks Roku for explaining why I shouldn't buy a Roku TV or really any "smart" TV. "Smart" refers to how it benefits the manufacturer more so than the user.

You know Ive been looking for a dumb tv for so long - i just want the size, a bunch of HDMI/USB ports and wifi connectivity that i can stream to... Thats all. How is it that these "dumb" monitors are so much more expensive than smart tvs that dont last more than a year or 2?

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by dogma1138 »

shimber wrote: post #135

Yikes, I thought HDMI was encrypted similar to DVD's "illegal number". Here's bunnie talking about dealing with HCDP when building out the netv. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZeCvEa7OqI [starts around 14:30] I see in the article they mention a more passive monitoring identifying "when there are pauses", but how could that hold up to any scrutiny? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content... http…

It is its decrypted and displayed in a protected container but the TV can still show overlays.

They aren’t injecting anything into the video stream they are just showing ads in the same way they’ll show a volume bar.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

#144

Post by dmix »

thunky wrote: post #105
strunz wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, all that mind poison from nature and science education, documentaries, great films and TV shows that entertain and help us experience the human condition through great visual art and storytelling. Are you from 1950?

> Are you from 1950? First tv ad in 1941, first radio ad in 1922, first newspaper ad in 1704, first known written ad in 3000 bc.

And they all hated us

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by sifar »

flashgordon wrote: post #142
jqpabc123 wrote: post #139

Thanks Roku for explaining why I shouldn't buy a Roku TV or really any "smart" TV. "Smart" refers to how it benefits the manufacturer more so than the user.

You know Ive been looking for a dumb tv for so long - i just want the size, a bunch of HDMI/USB ports and wifi connectivity that i can stream to... Thats all. How is it that these "dumb" monitors are so much more expensive than smart tvs that dont last more than a year or 2?

sceptre tvs are pretty affordable. Have been using it for a while - no issues. No wifi though, just hdmi and usb.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

#146

Post by jqpabc123 »

flashgordon wrote: post #142
jqpabc123 wrote: post #139

Thanks Roku for explaining why I shouldn't buy a Roku TV or really any "smart" TV. "Smart" refers to how it benefits the manufacturer more so than the user.

You know Ive been looking for a dumb tv for so long - i just want the size, a bunch of HDMI/USB ports and wifi connectivity that i can stream to... Thats all. How is it that these "dumb" monitors are so much more expensive than smart tvs that dont last more than a year or 2?

BestBuy house brand (Insignia I think) are dumb and cheap but no wifi.

I use a mini PC with an air mouse to add my own "smarts" that I can control.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

#147

Post by Sylamore »

iamjackg wrote: post #136
boudin wrote: post #133

I had to check what roku tv was, it seems it's just a cheap (android?) tv box.

Not Android: they run their own OS, they've been around since forever (they predate both Chromecasts and Android TV), and according to Wikipedia they are the "leading streaming TV platform in the US in terms of market share. The Roku OS also holds a noticeable 30.5% share of the global TV streaming hours". For a long, long time they used to be the "neutral" choice: while Amazon and Google were squabbling and removing…

Which is why I have 3-4 of them across mine and the ex's house, but now with the changes they've had lately with showing more and more sponsored content in the home screen, issues with HDR10+ (mostly Paramount+), changing my theme for random reasons... I'm switching to Apple TV.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

#148

Post by WirelessGigabit »

oarsinsync wrote: post #63
ForHackernews wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...that seems like a really good and intuitive feature. What would expect it to do instead? Close the window? Keep it on some invisible virtual desktop? (how large is the mysterious off-screen area in which windows can be lost?)

My laptop has a 15" 1080p panel. It's attached to 2x 32" 4K panels. When I'm done for the day, I turn the screens off. When I come back the next day, all my windows are on the laptop onboard display, and if I'm lucky, resized in a way that makes them movable. If I'm unlucky, I need to close the application, re-open it, and hope it's back in a helpful way. The 2x 4K panels show me my wallpaper every morning. They don'…

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/enable-or-disable-remember-win...

You can ask Windows to try and remember the location. It's not fool proof, but it works 90% of the time.

In fact, I've got more issues with windows opening on a non-connected screen (and then having to do Winkey + right a couple of times until it shows up on my laptop screen.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

ForHackernews wrote: post #141
oarsinsync wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My laptop has a 15" 1080p panel. It's attached to 2x 32" 4K panels. When I'm done for the day, I turn the screens off. When I come back the next day, all my windows are on the laptop onboard display, and if I'm lucky, resized in a way that makes them movable. If I'm unlucky, I need to close the application, re-open it, and hope it's back in a helpful way. The 2x 4K panels show me my wallpaper every morning. They don'…

Suspend the machine instead? The external monitors will go to sleep when they lose the signal. I don't know how you expect that machine to know that you're only disabling that monitor temporarily and you expect it to restore your windows at some future time when it reconnects. If you plug in a new monitor, should windows jump onto it spontaneously?

I do the same, either my Dock, my Laptop or my screens, or all together give some weird issues where the screens turn on every 5 minutes and go to sleep.

And searching for 'Dock screen wakes up during sleep' just floods with 'screen does not wake up after sleep'. And with 's removal of respecting + and -, I am not sure I'll ever find a solution...

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

graypegg wrote: post #134

How many companies out there make TV-sized LED panels? There's a market for dumb TVs obviously. Feels like you could buy the panels, put them in a case with minimal controls, and ship. If you market it as some sort of "pro videophile grade display" you can charge the true material cost + a healthy markup without relying on the recurring ad revenue from smart TV software. You could leave OFF common features like motio…

This is a good idea that would be good.
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