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>I think there are plenty of people going through what this 29-yo is going through, and part of that might be because they have degrees in things like English, Art history, Philosophy This. I have friends who majored in the humanities and are now working retail and restaurants. I feel bad for my friend with an English degree stuck working at Barnes and Noble but I also understand the flipside, which is if you're a Ph…
I don't know how you could say the CS degree was winning the lottery. Everyone and their grandmother knew that a CS degree would result in high earning after graduation as far back as the late 90's. In fact many CS departments had the problem of too many unqualified students looking to get rich, most of whom failed out the first year. Similarly the idea that a humanities degree would not lead to a wealthy lifestyle i…
A 29-year-old on the difficulties of landing a first job
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As screwed up as the US economy might be I have many Asian friends who have emigrated there in the last decade and have done very well for themselves. Why? Because they were willing to work their assess off. So much to this, their are so many dry-cleaners and Chinese food store owners who are millionaires because of this.
Wow, I love racism. My friends are: in art (on the business side), in beer (import), in tech (a couple of them) and one is a chef in NYC. None of them are millionaires but they've done better in their careers than if they didn't go to fight it out in a different market.
(I haven't been to the U.S., are all dry cleaners foreign?)
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#143> these places assume I'll leave as soon as something "corporate" pops up. This sentence struck me as a little odd. Is the USA at a point where McDonald's expect a burger flipper to commit to a career with them? Maybe I'm biased because all the non-skilled jobs I worked were before/during university, but I never got the feeling that anyone believed I'd retire from there. Yes, we had the whole rigmarole at the intervi…
They want people who at least aren't actively looking to leave before they've even started.
As long as the guy has half a brain and is reasonably personable, I'd rather have someone like that for 3-6 months than the standard buffoon who will last just as long before getting fired/bored of working, and do some damage in the process.
Re: A 29-year-old on the difficulties of landing a first job
#144Please tell me when it was ever easy. Rumors of the job market being easy in the past are vastly overstated. Before the Internet, before entry to IT was as easy as it later became, I graduated high school as valedictorian and took the highest paying job I could find based on my skills: factory labor in a box factory. I got married a year after high school, we had a son, and THEN I started junior college. Before I got…
I feel like there's this huge disconnect and I'm not sure who to believe. Some people say it wasn't easy back in the day and that the younger generation are simply too entitled. The younger generation would then say that even the lowliest jobs don't exist. Imagine if you were laid off and no convenience stores, chem labs, or whatever you could find simply didn't exist. Instead of weeks to get back to you, it took mon…
I won't go into exhaustive detail, but if you wanted to compare economic conditions, consider this: 1) My first job (paperboy at age 12) was during the Nixon years. Price and waged controls, going off the gold standard, etc. Didn't affect me--I was working locally, delivering the freaking paper, not existing in some statistical milieu. 2) My next job (dishwasher, age 15) was during Ford years. Whip Inflation Now buttons, anyone? Irrelevant--I had my head in a sink. 3) My next job (cashier, age 18) was during Carter years. Insane levels of inflation, stagflation, and a president lecturing us that we were all in a national malaise. Screw you, Carter, I was working and finishing high school, regardless of wider economic conditions. 4) Next job (factory, age 19-24) was during Carter and then Reagan years. End of stagflation, let the Stockman budget battles begin. Irrelevant--I was working my butt off, multiple jobs if I had time, and going to school. 5) Next jobs (IT, age 25-now) I have worked through all the ups and downs of the economy, including the current supposedly impossible economy. I am competing against the 20-somethings and the offshore developers. I don't think it's easy for anyone (myself included) and I don't take my current hourly contract for granted. Yes, hourly contract. I am one manager's decision away from not having a paycheck. I could either a) panic or b) make sure I deliver value, all the time. And of course hope for the best:-)
So the perspective I suggest is one of perhaps being aware of larger economic conditions as a point of interest, but not telling yourself that the unemployment rate, the dearth of new jobs, the shift to overseas labor, etc. is going to control your destiny. YOU control it. Nothing but crappy jobs out there? Fine, take two, they're small. What's that, I'm an insensitive clod and there are not even any crappy jobs to be had? Oh, then I assume you have broadened your search out to 50 miles, then 100, then 150. And I don't mean emailing resumes. Nothing like showing up in person to demonstrate seriousness. Oh, and now new jobs? Well, why not go take an existing job from some sad sack who is just marking time? Every company has them. Don't ask for openings--make openings.
As long as this is, it is incomplete. I'm sure a determined complainer could pick holes in it easily, and trump me with some difficulty that I haven't included. But that's the difference in perspective. I accept difficulties as part of life, and set out to survive at the very least, prosper if possible, and triumph (even if in only small ways, and only in my mind where I keep score in a game no one else knows we are playing).
So yes, there's the disconnect.