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Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by andrewla »

handity wrote: post #136
andrewla wrote: post #121

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He will have to be put on trial (by a jury if he so elects) and convicted before he goes to prison; there is no automatic conviction and even if he is refuse bail he will not be in prison. If the UK refuses to extradite him, then it's a matter of his looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life waiting for the hood and a chopper out. Besides, I have no faith in the UK court' ability to do anything here; they're…

I believe your hope that he will face anything like a fair trial in the US is misplaced. The conviction the US seeks under the Espionage Act is as good as automatic. There are books and numerous articles covering in minute detail the extraordinary nature of his persecution, detailing the numerous perversions of justice involved.

> The conviction the US seeks under the Espionage Act is as good as automatic

I find this assessment to be unsupported.

Name a single journalist successfully prosecuted under the Espionage Act. If you have to go back to the 1920s to find an example, then I think I've made my point. Ellsberg was the only journalist in modern times to even be charged under it, and his charges were dismissed.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by kasey_junk »

ric2b wrote: post #113
mminer237 wrote: post #101

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We still have the 8th and 14th Amendments. He's not going to get tortured.

And what did those Amendments do in Guantanamo Bay and CIA blacksites?

Guantanamo bay and the black sites are a disgraceful legacy of US foreign policy but aren’t germane to this discussion.

Assange faces bog standard criminal charges in the US that have proceeded through our standard courts. The extradition is being overseen by 2 separate court systems in 2 separate nations.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by andrewla »

weberer wrote: post #139
andrewla wrote: post #129

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Sure, they'll send him to the same secret military prison where they store the UFOs. Assange is a public figure; if extradited he will have a trial, and if convicted will go to the same federal prisons that all people convicted for federal crimes go to. The US has engaged in "extraordinary rendition" (many of which we only know about because of Assange). I'm not defending their record here, but Assange is not a candi…

They're storing UFOs in Guantanamo Bay now?

Guantanamo Bay detention camp is a secret? But if you know about it ... and I know about it ... then ... maybe it's not a secret prison?

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by plexom »

bsjaux628 wrote: post #94

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A problem does not only become a problem the moment you start looking. Is it not for the best if the people of a country are aware of how the people in power use their power? The problem is not that a person decided to leak said emails, it is the fact that these emails were sent in the first place. The US democracy was not weakened through this, this weakness was only made more apparent.

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Post by ImHereToVote »

tptacek wrote: post #122
ImHereToVote wrote: post #45

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In what sense does Habeas apply here? Habeas isn't a right not to face prosecution, and Assange is incarcerated because he refuses to surrender himself to (two different) courts, not because he hasn't been charged.

Habeas corpus guarantees a right to a speedy trial. No habeas corpus no speedy trial.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by tptacek »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #145
tptacek wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense does Habeas apply here? Habeas isn't a right not to face prosecution, and Assange is incarcerated because he refuses to surrender himself to (two different) courts, not because he hasn't been charged.

Habeas corpus guarantees a right to a speedy trial. No habeas corpus no speedy trial.

The reason his trial hasn't been speedy is that he's refused to allow it to proceed! Which, fair enough, but you can't make a Habeas claim to escape charges when you succeed in stalling proceedings.

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Post by willcipriano »

hylaride wrote: post #107
lll-o-lll wrote: post #66

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> It is absurd, he should be on a flight right now. For the crime of reporting information that embarrassed the US government.

Knowingly handling stolen (secret) property is still a crime. It's not about the embarrassment. If he only released the infamous helicopter attack or specific "criminal" documents, that'd be one thing. However, he dumped the entire diplomatic communications (among other stuff) that literally put people's jobs, careers, and even lives in jeopardy who were doing nothing illegal, immoral, or wrong. Most of the dumped da…

The people lives he "put in jeopardy" were OK with spying on every American.

I care for their safety as much as they care for my privacy.

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Post by croon »

aodonnell2536 wrote: post #131
bsjaux628 wrote: post #94

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Nearly 8 years later and you still seriously believe Trump won the 2016 election via Russian interference? Even after all investigations yielded no evidence?

The investigations yielded evidence on most of it, which neither party denies. What was inconclusive was whether or not Trump (and his immediate family) were aware enough to qualify for "conspiracy" or "coordination" charges. That Russia interfered is not disputed. They indicted 34 people.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by marcus_holmes »

polski-g wrote: post #77

I don't know why this is taking so long or why he's fighting it. He will easily win this case citing New York Times Company v. United States as the precedent. A publisher is allowed to publish state secrets if they aren't the ones who originally obtained them.

They will deny that he is a journalist or publisher. A lot of journalists are on record as agreeing with that - he's "just a blogger". The UK has defined journalism as "working for a mainstream media organisation" (I paraphrase).

The US govt will argue that none of the journalism precedents apply.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by marcus_holmes »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #62
andrewstuart wrote: post #4

Totally unenforceable assurances from the USA mean nothing. Assange should be brought back to Australia.

Successive Australian governments have been remiss in their, sometimes total, lack of involvement in Assange's plight. It shows how much Australian politicians and politics kowtow to the US. It's shameful.

It is shameful, and we should be holding the c*nts to account for it.
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