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USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by Rinzler89 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #138
Rinzler89 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Windows has been the one updating itself making sure to not break backwards printer support, not the other way around. You can still use printers from the 90's on modern Windows, meanwhile MacOS seems to break support for recent printers between minor updates. It's not like they're a cash-strapped start-up, if Microsoft can afford to invest in maintaining backwards compatibility, so can Apple. Sounds like Apple…

It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain, instead of relying on Apple/Microsoft to bend over backwards to maintain backwards compatibility from now until the end of time.

>It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain

Maybe companies prefer their way, instead of what Apple imposes on them. After all, not all companies are tech companies, who can afford large teams of expensive devs to keep updating their SW. For non-tech companies, the less dev work they have to invest in SW, the better, as that frees up resources for their main business activity.

I for one if I'm the customer and the one spending the money I definitely want to be in charge, not be at the mercy of the manufacturer of product I spend money on to dictate how I should run my business, that I should invest more effort in keeping up with them.

Move fast and break things at the pace of their vendor, is not what most users and companies expect from their products and services.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by Rinzler89 »

pxeger1 wrote: post #109
Rinzler89 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They deprecate their own hardware after about 5 years. And people give Microsoft shit for not supporting Windows 10 more than 10 years when Apple only does 5. >I use EndeavourOS on all my old Mac hardware and update without fear literally every couple of days That's incredibly brave (or foolish) to have no fear of upgrading Arch, considering Arch does indeed break, it's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.…

To be fair, with Arch, the more often you upgrade the less you have to fear - the migrations around breaking changes are normally pretty good.

> the more often you upgrade the less you have to fear

Why? If an update is broken, then it will break your shit when you update to it no matter from where the starting point was. The destination is still a broken system.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by prirun »

ArchOversight wrote: post #129
prirun wrote: post #20

My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…

The root (/) is a disk image/APFS snapshot. Apple didn't delete anything... their update replaced that image that you are booting from, which is supposed to be read-only. /dev/disk3s3s1 on / (apfs, sealed, local, read-only, journaled) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, nobrowse) /dev/disk3s6 on /System/Volumes/VM (apfs, local, noexec, journaled, noatime, nobrowse) /dev/disk3s4 on /System/Volumes/Preboot (apfs, local, journ…

Thanks very much! I had no idea about this, but doing a find command as root did indeed find my backup. It was at:

/System/Volumes/Data/Users/Shared/Previously Relocated Items/Security/hbbackup

I don't know how people are supposed to know this. Plus it is taking up 50GB of space!

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by FireBeyond »

radicality wrote: post #136
FireBeyond wrote: post #111

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There's also cases where (shockingly to some) Apple just doesn't care . I'm still more than bitter, after buying some nice 27" 4K HDR 144Hz monitors that Apple actively broke (and may still be broken) Display Stream Compression 1.4 for the Pro Display XDR. When it was released, there were questions about how Apple was managing to drive that display. Well, the answer is because they absolutely nerfed/bastardized DSC 1…

Btw, do you mean you downgraded DP to 1.2? I think there isn’t a DSC 1.4 (only DP 1.4 which has DSC 1.2, and DP1.4a with DSC 1.2a). Do you have any more info/links about this? I’m curious, since I do have a Pro Display XDR, and I’ve been trying to understand for some time how exactly it’s able to reach its bandwidth, which is definitely a rabbit hole.

Apologies, you're right. DP 1.4 - just looked at the manual (for the LG 27GN750-B, though I know that many other monitors were affected). Has been a couple of years now.

Ironically, I too, moved to the XDR.

Downgrading to DP 1.2 improved the display options from DP 1.4.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by nebula8804 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #141
nozzlegear wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain, instead of relying on Apple/Microsoft to bend over backwards to maintain backwards compatibility from now until the end of time.

>It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain Maybe companies prefer their way, instead of what Apple imposes on them. After all, not all companies are tech companies, who can afford large teams of expensive devs to keep updating their SW. For non-tech companies, the less dev work they have to invest in SW, the better, as that frees up resources for their main busi…

They shouldn't advertise Mac support then. Canon specifically put a Mac logo on their boxes and uses that in their advertisements.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by nozzlegear »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #141
nozzlegear wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain, instead of relying on Apple/Microsoft to bend over backwards to maintain backwards compatibility from now until the end of time.

>It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain Maybe companies prefer their way, instead of what Apple imposes on them. After all, not all companies are tech companies, who can afford large teams of expensive devs to keep updating their SW. For non-tech companies, the less dev work they have to invest in SW, the better, as that frees up resources for their main busi…

Hang on, let's pump our brakes and take a quick peek at the calendar. The comment thread we're in was talking about the Canon D530 which was released in 2012, which supposedly broke in MacOS Monterey released in 2021. It's a stretch to call 9 years "moving fast and breaking things".

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by Aloisius »

altairprime wrote: post #67
actualwitch wrote: post #49

> Scanning Apple's release notes or security update disclosures for the update doesn't reveal any smoking guns Wait what? So 10 screens of bangers like "An app may be able to execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges" and "An attacker with arbitrary kernel read and write capability may be able to bypass kernel memory protections. Apple is aware of a report that this issue may have been exploited." are not conside…

End users typically don’t tolerate security fixes that alter or break existing functionality, so it would be in line with common responses for those ten screens of security concerns to be disregarded. One of the fixes this release is untrainable SIGKILLs programs for illegal memory accesses, which is a perfectly boring and sensible security practice — and also is causing much of the drama everyone’s seeing. Presumabl…

> One of the fixes this release is untrainable SIGKILLs programs for illegal memory accesses, which is a perfectly boring and sensible security practice

Why is preventing trapping on an illegal memory access a sensible security practice?

Preventing the access, sure, but I'm not seeing what force killing a process does for security, especially given there are perfectly reasonable reasons why one might want to trap the signal.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by Rinzler89 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #146
Rinzler89 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It seems like Apple just prefers that companies release software that they will actually maintain Maybe companies prefer their way, instead of what Apple imposes on them. After all, not all companies are tech companies, who can afford large teams of expensive devs to keep updating their SW. For non-tech companies, the less dev work they have to invest in SW, the better, as that frees up resources for their main busi…

Hang on, let's pump our brakes and take a quick peek at the calendar. The comment thread we're in was talking about the Canon D530 which was released in 2012, which supposedly broke in MacOS Monterey released in 2021. It's a stretch to call 9 years "moving fast and breaking things".

Hold on there buckaroo. Having a 9 year old printer at home is no big deal as consumers don't usually upgrade their printers if they still work and compatible ink cartridges are still available. My parents are still running a 20+ year old Canon, because it's easy to refill cheaply.

And things don't exist in a vacuum but in comparison to others. To wit, does that Canon printer from 2012 work in present day versions of Windows and Linux? If yes, then why is MacOS the odd one out here?

So what's stopping Apple from providing the same level of reliable printer support as Microsoft and Linux? It sure as hell aint lack of money.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by Neikius »

I moved from m1 MacBook pro to m2 recently.

Just like that my monitor's built in KVM stopped working in a reasonable manner. Can use it to drive the web camera which sometimes works normally and sometimes with shitty frame rate. Microphone now appears and then gets evicted (rode USB mic), my headphone preamp will crackle like mad so it is useless...

I got this monitor specifically to be able to work with the stupid m1 limitation of 1 external screen and to be able to switch seamlessly to my secondary rig. And it could be connected using one cable as it does power delivery.

Now I have an expensive montor that is useless for the purpose I got it for. Not sure whether to blame dell or apple but do not remember many instances of issues like this in my life. Being a PC guy forever and now got forced to use apple for work.

Really don't understand why it's being pushed so much in corporate env. lately? Maybe I am just weird.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by Aloisius »

prirun wrote: post #143
ArchOversight wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The root (/) is a disk image/APFS snapshot. Apple didn't delete anything... their update replaced that image that you are booting from, which is supposed to be read-only. /dev/disk3s3s1 on / (apfs, sealed, local, read-only, journaled) devfs on /dev (devfs, local, nobrowse) /dev/disk3s6 on /System/Volumes/VM (apfs, local, noexec, journaled, noatime, nobrowse) /dev/disk3s4 on /System/Volumes/Preboot (apfs, local, journ…

Thanks very much! I had no idea about this, but doing a find command as root did indeed find my backup. It was at: /System/Volumes/Data/Users/Shared/Previously Relocated Items/Security/hbbackup I don't know how people are supposed to know this. Plus it is taking up 50GB of space!

IIRC, it should create an alias on your Desktop called Relocated Items or something similar to them after the upgrade that pointed at it.
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