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Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Post by timrowledge »

timbit42 wrote: post #140
pjmlp wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is called Java, and having all key Smalltalk vendors pivoting into Java. Smalltalk was the ".NET" of OS/2, and Visual Age for Smalltalk code browser still lives on Eclipse. Then there are those Objective-C and Ruby developers still around, heavily influenced from Smalltalk.

Is there a Smalltalk that runs on the JVM?

Not that I've read of, but Vanessa Freudenberg created SqueakJS; a javascript system that can run (pretty much) any Squeak based image in your browser. See https://squeak.js.org/run/

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Post by igouy »

timbit42 wrote: post #140
pjmlp wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is called Java, and having all key Smalltalk vendors pivoting into Java. Smalltalk was the ".NET" of OS/2, and Visual Age for Smalltalk code browser still lives on Eclipse. Then there are those Objective-C and Ruby developers still around, heavily influenced from Smalltalk.

Is there a Smalltalk that runs on the JVM?

https://github.com/hpi-swa/trufflesqueak

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Post by timrowledge »

skadamat wrote: post #13

I wish we had a popular operating system for end users like ourselves that was “live” all the way down. It’s unfortunate we’ve been stuck with Windows, Mac, and Linux only

I worked at Interval Research (yet another Palo Alto lab) in the mid/late 90s on a large project (and if it had completed and worked out, would have led to a proper IoT without the crap, maybe) in which we use Smalltalk all the way down to the custom hardware. A few hundred lines of C and assembler tucked away in a corner, but interrupts and processes were all handled in Smalltalk.

It was fun. It could have been great.

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Post by teddyh »

teddyh wrote: post #76
coldtea wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In pre-internet times, you’d need to be physically present Because of that, the very real possibility of getting a punch in the face if you went over the line also helped curb those behaviors somewhat.

A sentiment often expressed, but I find it too close to “An armed society is a polite society” for my comfort.

Also: https://www.butajape.com/comic/say-it-to-my-face/>

Re: Alan Kay's talk at UCLA – Feb 2024 [video]

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Post by igouy »

timrowledge wrote: post #143
skadamat wrote: post #13

I wish we had a popular operating system for end users like ourselves that was “live” all the way down. It’s unfortunate we’ve been stuck with Windows, Mac, and Linux only

I worked at Interval Research (yet another Palo Alto lab) in the mid/late 90s on a large project (and if it had completed and worked out, would have led to a proper IoT without the crap, maybe) in which we use Smalltalk all the way down to the custom hardware. A few hundred lines of C and assembler tucked away in a corner, but interrupts and processes were all handled in Smalltalk. It was fun. It could have been grea…

Although impolite to ask, do you feel that it not working out may have been influenced by the implementation language?
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