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Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by partitioned »

bsimpson wrote: post #96
calibas wrote: post #91

There needs to be more of a consequence for large companies who create platforms like this, then get a bunch of developers & users dependent on it, and then pull out the rug. And not necessarily government regulations. Maybe a contract that guarantees operation for X number of years should become the standard, or even better, an explicit agreement to open-source discontinued products so the community can continue run…

The usual excuse for not open-sourcing is that commercial products aren't developed in a vacuum. Flash, for instance, supposedly included a bunch of codecs that Adobe didn't have the license to redistribute as source. At a bigger company, there are presumably dependencies on in-house build systems, standard libraries, etc. Maintaining open-source versions of those is unfortunately a non-trivial task.

You just make all the dependencies open source at the time the rest of it becomes open source, then you can keep the updates in-house and the community can update the dependencies if necessary and willing

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by phpisthebest »

w3ll_w3ll_w3ll wrote: post #104
jamal-kumar wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What email client is popular in large enterprises then? Last time I worked in a company like that it was all microsoft software, including outlook, by policy

Old Outlook

Real outlook... not Outlook Online wrapped in a WebView2 wrapper

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by jerlam »

akira2501 wrote: post #113
PreInternet01 wrote: post #18

So, this is the second time a "run your Android apps on Windows" initiative fizzles out: before WSA (which was Amazon-centric), there was a late-2020 "Your Phone" feature that (briefly) allowed Samsung apps on Windows desktops. Not sure if this means anything other than "phone apps run best on, well, a phone", especially since I can't think of anything from my phone that I would truly like on my desktop, other than i…

> especially since I can't think of anything from my phone that I would truly like on my desktop The SMS and Calls. Seriously, at this point, my phone is the least useful device I own for managing both of these functions. The only utility in having them in some broken down hard to use form is for the slight convenience of being able to use them outside of my home if I wanted to. I rarely want to. I'd much prefer thes…

If you're using Android (presumably with Google), there's Google Messages on Web that handles SMS:

https://messages.google.com/web/

I used it for several years and found it quite reliable, unlike Apple's way of handling SMS/iMessage on each Apple device separately.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by sonicanatidae »

shp0ngle wrote: post #102
sonicanatidae wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outlook is hot garbage and has been for a lot time. Every single version.

Bad take. The old native Outlook is actually great. The web version is fine. The new Electron monster is horrible and looks like a toy.

I don't think it's a bad take at all.

The very latest and greatest version of Outlook, has broken Search. Not in a subtle way, no, as in the "remove focus from the goddamn text box after you've typed a couple of characters" kind of broken.

I've had to remove and re-add accounts to fix Outlook issues more than all other email client issues combined. This is especially prevalent with the mobile versions.

Do you know how many times I've had to reset the view after Outlook, for no reason discernible, decided to change it, delete it or simply corrupt the file. I stopped counting after I had to start using scientific notation.

We'll continue to disagree on the App versions of Outlook.

The web version is ok.. I will agree with you on that point.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by sonicanatidae »

stronglikedan wrote: post #94
sonicanatidae wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outlook is hot garbage and has been for a lot time. Every single version.

I can't operate without it (the Windows native version). Everything else pales in comparison from a productivity standpoint.

I operate despite it's best efforts. I'm glad you have a different experience.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by nateglims »

FiniteLooper wrote: post #103
calibas wrote: post #91

There needs to be more of a consequence for large companies who create platforms like this, then get a bunch of developers & users dependent on it, and then pull out the rug. And not necessarily government regulations. Maybe a contract that guarantees operation for X number of years should become the standard, or even better, an explicit agreement to open-source discontinued products so the community can continue run…

Ah yes, remember Silverlight?

And J++ and the Iron* version of languages

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by soganess »

nullwarp wrote: post #130
sudosysgen wrote: post #128

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I use KDE connect for that on Windows too, it does both SMS and calling. Your phone only needs to be in the same network which isn't an issue on your desk when you get home.

Yeah KDE connect fan here - works great absolutely amazing piece of open source software.

I use the GConnect implementation of KDE Connect and it works really well... except for the SMS forwarding.

It has all the usual issues of this kind of mirroring software: (1) once in a while it falls out of sync. (2) the messaging UI is really spartan (and for some reason doesn't support OS-level spell check?) (3) MMS support is either spotty or missing (4) notifications occasionally just stop happening.

I'm still grateful for it and use it everyday, but GConnect is #1 on my list of "once I get some time to do OSS stuff again".

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by rightbyte »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #97
rightbyte wrote: post #71

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Last time I checked the MS store it was mainly bikini wallpapers. Not kidding ...

Bikini wallpapers?! Oh my god, that's disgusting! Where?

They seem gone when I check now. I could swear, that when I installed WSL 2 years ago on my office computer, there was a ridiculous bikini wallpaper problem in the MS store. For some reason they push the store by forcing WSL installs via it ...

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by dboreham »

stillold wrote: post #61
theusus wrote: post #4

I feel like this was released just yesterday and now they are ending the support. Why?

They created a huge buzz around it, took over a year to release and when they did so, released it to the wrong Insider ring, so everyone who was on the fast ring specifically for and waiting for it had to re-install. I believe, without any proof, that this is why they had to redo their rings and what they meant shortly after. Then there is everything else people have mentioned, with them being completely reliant on A…

I ended up in the right ring to get it on ARM, and actually used it (Kindle app on Surface Pro X). But that was the only app I used. The other one I really wanted was O'Reilly Safari/learning, their e-reader. But of course the Amazon app store is going to shut down before they allow a competitor's app on there.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Post by wolpoli »

wkat4242 wrote: post #44
basch wrote: post #32

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I haven't tried it, but allegedly Outlook for Android runs better on Windows than the new Outlook for Windows. Which makes some sense, as one is a native app and one is a web app. https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/i-ac...

Yeah I don't know how they plan to shaft business users with that. It's so slow. I noticed recently that Microsoft relented and soon starts introducing CoPilot features into old outlook (or 'real' or 'full' outlook as people are calling it at work). Previously it was coupled to 'new' outlook only to promote adoption. But it really sees a lot of pushback from users. I hope this will continue into not canning the real…

> I noticed recently that Microsoft relented and soon starts introducing CoPilot features into old outlook (or 'real' or 'full' outlook as people are calling it at work).

I thought they were done developing the old outlook since they started hacking it instead of doing things properly. For example, in the rounded corner update for the old outlook, they started drawing black squares over message pane during resizing, probably to hide visual defects.

Glad to know there is a chance that they might keep the old outlook around.

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