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Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by hmcq6 »

js4ever wrote: post #104
henry2023 wrote: post #71

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I don’t know why so many people defend the Israel genocide. Everyone I meet offline including Israel born Jews are accusing their own government of genocide.

30k dead (from Hamas source) including at least 10k terrorists over a population of 2.2M is nowhere close to a genocide. Only hamas supporters are claiming it's a genocide.

Geneva Convention - article II:

> In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole *or in part*, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

> (a) Killing members of the group;

> (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

> (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or *in part*;

> (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

> (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by tehjoker »

ciconia wrote: post #25

> Around 10% of Gaza's journalists have been killed versus 2.5% of healthcare workers. One possible explanation is that journalists have a much higher probability of being close to where the fighting is, than healthcare workers.

Alternatively, you can watch this documentary where journalists wearing identifying gear away from the action were shot by a sniper during the peaceful "March of Return" (2018). These were the "Palestinian Gandhis" Israel supporters keep talking about. They were massacred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by loceng »

jncfhnb wrote: post #48
Gabriel54 wrote: post #45

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Suppose I am a country at war with the United States. Do I have the right to kill every American journalist? Also, it is not clear what "working in Hamas" means since they formed the government of the Gaza strip, so people "working in Hamas" would include all public officials, civil servants, etc. Does Israel have the right to kill all the sanitation workers of the Gaza strip since they also "work in Hamas"?

The rules of war are completely out the door when one side routinely pretends to be civilian, which is a war crime. Which is not to say it’s just to go committing whichever crimes you want, but discussing legal rights is largely pointless because it is immediately a lawless war.

And it should also then be pointed out that under international law an occupier must treat those of their occupied state to a higher degree of care.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by ninininino »

ethanbond wrote: post #126
ninininino wrote: post #108

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> The onus of protecting journalists (and medical workers) falls on the military regardless of how difficult the war they’re trying to prosecute is. No it doesn't? Just searched the International Criminal Court's English document on war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity for 'journalist' and found no results. https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Ele...

1. Onus doesn’t mean legal requirement. Civilized nations can be, should be, and generally are held to standards far exceeding legal statutes. 2. They DO have an actual legal obligation to protect journalists as well, try searching for “civilian.” If they are targeting journalists (read: civilians) that would obviously be illegal.

You said "protecting" and protection is far different from "not target".

We have laws for an important reason, without them it's up to any individual to decide for themselves what is just at any given moment. What happens when Israel decides that what's fair and just seems barbaric to you or me? We agree on the rules ahead of time so that we can act accordingly.

If you want war crimes to include "must protect journalists", then I'd suggest your best chance at realizing that goal would be to get the legal codes modified.

You said journalists, not civilians. If you want to talk about civilians now not journalists, that's a new topic.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by tety »

tety wrote: post #123

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Another thing worth noting, some of the casualties mentioned in this site is of Palestinians journalists dying on October 7 and the following days, which only show how problematic their claims are.

As the airstrikes didn't start yet in Gaza, these obviously died inside Israeli territory after they crossed a border, so they can film a massacre among other horrifying acts inflicted upon civilians such as rapes and mutilations.

I don't think these are the same journalists that people think about when they imagine journalists, but rather the same kind of 'journalists' that filmed the isis decapitation videos

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by CommanderData »

hersko wrote: post #114
CommanderData wrote: post #94

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Killing Journalists is bad. .. Then bombing their innocent families homes is bad. We should talk about bad things paid for by our taxes and supported by us indirectly. Discussion on Reddit+HN shutdown/down voted by organized Zionist groups. Also bad.

That doesn't answer my question? A lot of things are bad, most don't make it to the HackerNews front page...

It seems your trying to build a false narrative to equate HN = too many posts about Israel. To justify some of your other questions in this thread.

Israel is commiting genocidal acts that are illegal according to International law. They are starving a population of almost 2 million, collective punishment and indiscriminately killing families.

Sorry it bothers you when you see fellow HN Humans act on compassion for other Humans and spread awareness about this. By your post history I get the feeling you'd rather see it swept under the rug and discussion silenced. Israel has a professional well funded misinformation arm. PSA.

A telephone recording of the IDF murdering a family while they were in a car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXKcsAJDDBs

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by bawolff »

addicted wrote: post #73
hmcq6 wrote: post #42

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That's a bad explanation because it relies on an assumption about how the press in Palestine are operating on the ground and I'm guessing no one on hackernews actually has that info. We don't know that reporters are rushing into danger or hanging out where the danger is going to be. In fact, a lot of the "reporters" who we've been watching were never war reporters to begin with. Motaz, for instance was an aspiring tr…

This has also been one of the deadliest wars for civilians in general. Also when you’re using such a loose definition of journalist obviously the deaths would be greater.

> This has also been one of the deadliest wars for civilians in general.

I don't think that is a true statement. Obviously it is bad for civilians in any war, but there are other conficts that have been much worse.

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