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Post by JimDabell »

boxed wrote: post #125
JimDabell wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can deploy to your own device with a free Apple developer account. However there is a fairly short time line (I think a week?), after which you have to reinstall it. It’s designed for running apps on your device as you are developing them, not as a long-term deployment method.

Months. I have one on my phone that I haven't reinstalled for months. And I do this on my wife's phone, and let me tell you the wife acceptance factor of the app breaking after a week would be absolutely zero. I don't know where you get these rumors from honestly.

With a free account?

I’ve heard many, many times that free accounts have a short expiry. I thought it was seven days, and I’ve just checked, and I remembered the duration correctly.

I can’t find an official source, but people mention this limit practically everywhere the topic is discussed. Here’s one reference, Google can help you find many, many more:

https://stackoverflow.com/a/73014888/8427

> Without Official Apple Dev Account

> If you don't have an official Apple Dev Account provisioning will only last for 1 week. The app will expire every 7 days (or less in some cases -- depending upon the day the initial certificate was created).

> With Official Apple Dev Account

> You will be able to provision your app for up to 1 year.

Can you create a provisioning profile with an expiry more than one week into the future with a free account?

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by JimDabell »

the_gipsy wrote: post #137
JimDabell wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn’t a part of Apple’s terms where they say you are only allowed to use build servers if you are a professional iOS developer. Build servers are absolutely fine.

Again disingenuous, I never said "not allowed". Oh and up until 2019 apple was forbidding any virtualization of macOS in its EULA, there certainly were no free cloud build servers for iOS since relatively recently.

> there certainly were no free cloud build servers for iOS since relatively recently.

There definitely were. Bitrise had a free plan back in 2014 and they weren’t the only ones.

https://web.archive.org/web/20141103031325/http://www.bitris...

Are you an iOS developer? Because you are repeatedly taking what is considered run of the mill by iOS developers as if it were some outlandish concept you’ve never heard of before. Build servers – yes, with free tiers – have been commonplace for iOS apps for at least a decade.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by JimDabell »

the_gipsy wrote: post #135
JimDabell wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services. It’s not though. Apple are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars every year from hardware. That’s not a means to an end, that is the end itself .

You seem to not understand the difference between income and profit.

I do, but unless you think Apple’s hundreds of billions in hardware revenue is some kind of loss leader, it’s irrelevant.

Apple are a hardware company. It’s bizarre that you are trying to argue otherwise. They make more money from selling consumer hardware than practically every other company in the world.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by ffsm8 »

meibo wrote: post #115
boomskats wrote: post #97

The number of apologists and distractors in this comments section honestly makes me feel like it's been brigaded. I'm amazed, given how well informed this crowd typically is. As for the topic being discussed - Apple have gone out of their way for the last _decade_ to avoid implementing things like ServiceWorkers properly. I remember having this same conversation back in 2015. It is a real shame, as things like the pr…

Most of the people on this site have either worked for Apple before or hold Apple stock. Regulation is directly reaching into their pockets. Also obvious by how this post is already on 14th place after 2 hours, with more than 200 votes. (Edit: now 31, 3 hours in)

Apple has fostered an incredibly fanatic userbase.

Most of them unironically call themselves "apple users".

They don't use a device, they've made the device part of their identity, and even implying that it's not the best thing ever created consequently becomes a personal insult.

Google and Microsoft tried to replicate that kind of brand love but were thankfully unsuccessful for the most part, so you'll always get an incredible amount of comments on anything related to Apple.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by Terretta »

randomdev3 wrote: post #13

It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it

Xbox, PS, iPad are consoles. Not everyone wants to DIY the OS and app config and maintenance. Using (digital) cartridges gets all those non value added activities out of the way of just playing the game or using the app.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by mdhb »

the_gipsy wrote: post #135
JimDabell wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services. It’s not though. Apple are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars every year from hardware. That’s not a means to an end, that is the end itself .

You seem to not understand the difference between income and profit.

He seems to have a habit of doing this.

A few weeks ago I was also stuck in a situation where he appeared to play dumb and refused to acknowledge the contradictions in his positions and the level of indignation that followed afterwards was unbelievable.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by willi59549879 »

aragilar wrote: post #24

Not an IPhone user: but honesty I'd rather have things open an actual browser tab, as then I can interact with it via all my standard extensions (e.g. adblockers), rather than be opened in a webview. Also, given how often you need to change phones (given build quality), if I have important data and you're a web app, I rather the server be the source of truth, and the phone a cache (so I don't loose data when the phon…

I prefer websites to apps too. That way the server takes care of storing the data and you don't have to worry about backups. Still i will never buy apple products again because of their anti open stances. The last product i had from them was an iphone 4.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

FruitCo and the Chocolate Factory love to ramble on about "security" but considering how "untouchable" these companies are, coupled with their evasive, callous behaviour toward "users" as well as any reasonable notion of transparency, it would be insane to assume they care about you or your data even one iota, except to the extent they can exploit you. And they can do so with ease. The risk of losing you as a "user" is almost nonexistant. There is nowhere else to go. Thus, the greatest threats to a computer owner's "security" are, in fact, FruitCo and the Chocolate Factory. There is no defense and no escape. Common cybercriminals are a joke by comparison.

FruitCo and the Chocolate Factory will never allow computer users to protect themselves from FruitCo and the Chocolate Factory. "Trust" is assumed. It's not like they ever ask you, "Do you want to trust us?"

Of course, you can always give up and ignore the threat. You can claim you trust one of these companies. You can wax on about how one is better than the other. But the threat remains. They can do whatever they want, no matter how irrational or "evil", and we are watching them do so in real-time. It did not take much to get them to show their true colors. What if business were to really get worse. Imagine what they could do. They could set new levels for douchebag behaviour. Unstoppable.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by aragilar »

rezonant wrote: post #118
aragilar wrote: post #24

Not an IPhone user: but honesty I'd rather have things open an actual browser tab, as then I can interact with it via all my standard extensions (e.g. adblockers), rather than be opened in a webview. Also, given how often you need to change phones (given build quality), if I have important data and you're a web app, I rather the server be the source of truth, and the phone a cache (so I don't loose data when the phon…

What sort of web experiences are you thinking of here? It kind of seems like you are thinking of websites. This isn't to say some web apps don't have ads, but then again so do some native apps.

That is at some level a distinction without a difference (and I have implemented PWAs, and tried to get them to work on mobile, including offline for significant periods of time). I've found (as a user) that most webview based apps (including those in the mobile stores) that I've used as a user tend to be held together with bits of string, and that running them in an actual browser tends to work better except in the case where there's literally no internet (i.e. for flaky internet browser beats wrapped pwa).
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