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Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by bobthepanda »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #64
bryanlarsen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia and Japan failed, but it's far too early to call COMAC from China a failure.

Russia just got a considerable motivation boost due to sanctions so the local order book for SSJ and MC families will be likely on the scale of hundreds of aircrafts. They are no longer a prestige project and Russia has the track record of building the necessary industrial capacity quickly (they ramped up military production to support war in Ukraine far beyond of what the West thought was possible in that time frame…

I wouldn’t really call it disruptive; they’re using Russian aircraft because they have to. Anyone who has a choice in the matter will still pick the duopoly because of better dispatch reliability and fuel efficiency.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by M95D »

cryptonector wrote: post #138
M95D wrote: post #132

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If the engineer doesn't remove the 3rd sensor to match cost expectations of the bean counter, then the bean counter can always find another engineer, fresh out of school, afraid for his job and CV, with no real-world experience, that WILL remove that 3rd sensor if someone yells at him/her or is offered a promotion for his/her "achievements". This new engineer will also cost less to hire than the old experienced engin…

Yes. But a company with good engineering culture will also have review schemes that the bean counter can't get around without having to remove all the "troublesome" senior engineers who do the reviews.

Yes, it takes a few years or decades to replace all of them and change the engineering culture. How long has it been since MD aquisition??

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by lenkite »

OldGuyInTheClub wrote: post #44

Ablative management: Layered heat shield of dispensable people that burn off to protect the capsule with the execs.

I don't even understand how he could be expected to turn around such a complex beast of manufacturing that has been mismanaged for so long in under 2 years. It just isn't possible even if you burn both ends of the candle.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by sam_bristow »

bombcar wrote: post #53
OldGuyInTheClub wrote: post #44

Ablative management: Layered heat shield of dispensable people that burn off to protect the capsule with the execs.

This is the job description for the CSO (chief security officer): Get fired when the inevitable security breach occurs .

CISO: Cyber Incident Sacrificial Offering

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by tanseydavid »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #133
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #96

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You aren’t contributing to the conversation by going on a tirade.

And the OP wasn't contributing to the truth about Jack Welch by simply skipping past what a jackass he was. He was technically an engineer, and spent 30+ years ignoring engineering, integrity and common sense, for the sake of profits. That's faux engineer, at best. Every single time assholes are mentioned, their assholery should be mentioned too. Let's not rewrite history for those unaware of how these "people" acted…

Did Pol Pot also work for Boeing at some point? I did not know that.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by tanseydavid »

azemetre wrote: post #136
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #96

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You aren’t contributing to the conversation by going on a tirade.

I disagree, learning how bad certain business people are is useful for society. Jack Welch ruined the lives of many families and played an explicit role in giving people cancer by dumping waste into public spaces. Talking about this is doing a serious service.

Rent a Billboard.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by cryptonector »

M95D wrote: post #142
cryptonector wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. But a company with good engineering culture will also have review schemes that the bean counter can't get around without having to remove all the "troublesome" senior engineers who do the reviews.

Yes, it takes a few years or decades to replace all of them and change the engineering culture. How long has it been since MD aquisition??

Corporate culture can rot quite fast.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by sonicanatidae »

tanseydavid wrote: post #145
sonicanatidae wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the OP wasn't contributing to the truth about Jack Welch by simply skipping past what a jackass he was. He was technically an engineer, and spent 30+ years ignoring engineering, integrity and common sense, for the sake of profits. That's faux engineer, at best. Every single time assholes are mentioned, their assholery should be mentioned too. Let's not rewrite history for those unaware of how these "people" acted…

Did Pol Pot also work for Boeing at some point? I did not know that.

If he did, he would apparently just be another kind soul, like ole Jack.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by sonicanatidae »

tanseydavid wrote: post #146
azemetre wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, learning how bad certain business people are is useful for society. Jack Welch ruined the lives of many families and played an explicit role in giving people cancer by dumping waste into public spaces. Talking about this is doing a serious service.

Rent a Billboard.

Why?

This is free, and the simple fact of Jack being a grand mal jackass is relevant.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by sonicanatidae »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #99
slt2021 wrote: post #42

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this is because shareholders (pension and investment fund managers) are all MBAs and they demand results a-la "quick wins" that forces management into short-term thinking, cutting corners and cutting costs

The MO of ‘business people’ isn’t inherently ‘quick wins, bleed the company dry’. I have absolutely no idea why techies can be so precious about every problem in their profession actually being a ‘systems problem’ yet are so quick to personally blame each and every person in another profession based on some ‘YouTube video essay’-level understanding of the context. As usual, it IS a system’s issue. It’s an incentive i…

It was at this point, that I knew you had no idea what you were talking about.

>The MO of ‘business people’ isn’t inherently ‘quick wins, bleed the company dry’.

It absolutely is the model, because humans gotta human.

I assure you that Engineers with knowledge of the products are rarely included in steering meetings, and when they are, they are window dressing.

I know this because I'm an expert in my field and over 3+ decades, this is pretty much exactly how technical people get handled when it comes to meetings and decisions.

Guess who occupies most of the C-suite. Do you think it's engineers? No, its MBAs.

MBAs are NOT the source of all things bad, but lets not break our arms jerking them off over the "great work" they've done.

smh.

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