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Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

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Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

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As someone who holds three nationalities, and is 2 years away from a fourth: I look forward to the day I hold none. Beligerence of the "State" knows no bounds, I hope we can free ourselves from this regressive construct and, once again, live in this world judged by our own merit and character, beholden to none.

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Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

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post #90

EDIT: 48 upvotes in an hour and this submission just jumped from top 10 to second page? WTF? Honestly, the US is the most invasive government in the "free" world I've had the misfortune to encounter. I can't think of another developed nation that is quite so overbearing when it comes to foreign income. US citizens who haven't been in the US for 40 years and work in other countries STILL need to report their income to…

"In all honesty the only reason I'm even here is because I want to see it (New York in particular) before it's gone. The US reminds me of the crumbling, dying days of the Roman Empire."

Thank god you got there in time! NYC TTYL is down to 5 years. Probably won't be there in 2020.

"But now the government seems to consist of self-interested parties who are happy to persecute citizens of every country including its own."

When has this not been the case in US history?

Sounds like you buy into the same "in the old days, things were better" pollyanna version of US history many of its own citizens do.

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

#143
post #79

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In what way is communism dangerous? I fail to see any inherent danger in a form of society that distributes its wealth evenly across its citizens.

Well, for one, it fails to address the inherent need of people to achieve for personal/selfish reasons, thus removing life purpose for many of your best and brightest - it kills ambition. Ambition is what drives humanity forward, for better or worse. Unless you can channel the needs of the state as a replacement for personal ambition, your society under communism is unsustainable. This is very difficult to do without…

I'm not so sure that it's clearcut that personal/selfish ambition is exactly identical to financial ambition. Further, there's probably a few different configurations of societies that distribute wealth evenly that are compatible with financial ambition. As for corruption, you probably need to convince someone that capitalist corruption is better :)

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

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The pursuit of communism resulted in the tragic deaths of over 100 million innocents during the 20th century. More than were killed by Nazism, Facism, and Japanese Imperialism combined. And that is merely the darkest portion of the shadow that communism has cast on human civilization, the full extent of suffering and loss is on a scale that makes the Black Death look like a walk in the park.

Of interest to those who are down voting you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_communism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

History can't convince a nerd until you show that history was caused by an intrinsic quality, not an accidental one. I think it touches too closely to 'decline of pirates linked to increase in global warming' without any explanation of how their ice cold hearts kept us cool.

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

#145
post #79

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In what way is communism dangerous? I fail to see any inherent danger in a form of society that distributes its wealth evenly across its citizens.

The pursuit of communism resulted in the tragic deaths of over 100 million innocents during the 20th century. More than were killed by Nazism, Facism, and Japanese Imperialism combined. And that is merely the darkest portion of the shadow that communism has cast on human civilization, the full extent of suffering and loss is on a scale that makes the Black Death look like a walk in the park.

I don't think it's fair to say killing millions of people is an intrinsic quality of communism or that pursuing it will inherently cause millions of deaths. As an example, pursuit of communism in Cuba has not caused magnitudes more deaths than pursuit of capitalism and generally "right wing" politics during Operation Condor.

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

#146
post #112

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One of the pay-fors for the PPACA is a 3.8 additional tax on investment income above a certain level. Successful entrepreneurs looking to take some money out of their business have a good chance of hitting this tax.

Exactly! So a very broad increase in tax on all (!) investments by all (!) high income individuals becomes a "tax on entrepreneurs", because the specifics don't seem so scary unless you make it sound like it hurts something important. Here's the snopes page on that very tax: http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp Amusingly, the spin it's trying to fight is that it's a tax on "home buyers". Apparently the…

You're now ranting at my sober and factual comment. My suggestion is to be the change you want to see: calm down and put more substance in your communications.

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

#147
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! So a very broad increase in tax on all (!) investments by all (!) high income individuals becomes a "tax on entrepreneurs", because the specifics don't seem so scary unless you make it sound like it hurts something important. Here's the snopes page on that very tax: http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp Amusingly, the spin it's trying to fight is that it's a tax on "home buyers". Apparently the…

You're now ranting at my sober and factual comment. My suggestion is to be the change you want to see: calm down and put more substance in your communications.

I said it was a rant when this subthread started. A "sober and factual" comment in support of ridiculous spin doesn't qualify, sorry; it simply means you're spinning well. And given that only one of us linked to an actual analysis of that law, let's just say I'm greatly amused at your demand for "substance".

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

#148
post #50
post #41

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Be a U.S. citizen but don't live there. That is the best option of them all, and one I took.

Why not be Canadian and not live in the USA?

If you aren't a permanent resident you are almost always tied to your current job, and can technically be required to leave within two weeks if you are laid off or fired. (Getting a new job that would accommodate your visa requirements on a two-week notice might not be trivial.) If you are a permanent resident, you are subject to many of the annoyances discussed (i.e., IRS) without the benefits of citizenship...

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

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Every country has requirements of its citizens. A lot force you to serve in the Armed Forces. The US doesn't do that. While I agree that the US isn't as welcoming as it once was and has always had an onerous tax code, for foreigners it is still a huge benefit to work and do business there. The funny thing is that Citizenship in the US has been essentially devalued by non-citizen working categories that have been deve…

Permanent Residents (Green Card holders) also have to pay tax on their worldwide income, even if they do not reside in the US.

But they can also leave, and it'll expire.

Re: Derek Sivers Renounces his US Citizenship

#150
post #90

EDIT: 48 upvotes in an hour and this submission just jumped from top 10 to second page? WTF? Honestly, the US is the most invasive government in the "free" world I've had the misfortune to encounter. I can't think of another developed nation that is quite so overbearing when it comes to foreign income. US citizens who haven't been in the US for 40 years and work in other countries STILL need to report their income to…

>>The US reminds me of the crumbling, dying days of the Roman Empire.

Indian here, many of uncles visited US in the 90's and continue to visit even now. One of my uncles is a doctor who is now settled in US. Well as a kid my uncles would often talk to me about the infrastructure, opportunities and great things about the US. So naturally when I grew up I wanted to come to US and work there.

Not anymore, in the past few years the very same people are telling how futile it is to go to US now. How costly the cost of living and health care is, how the common masses are totally out of energy without access to affordable higher education, how china virtually dominates every aspect of the life of a ordinary US consumer.

You can do anything here in India, whatever you could possibly do in the US. Nothing really is impossible today in India and China. You can make the same money, get the same opportunities, buy the same stuff and afford the same luxuries. Many of my friends who went to US to their MS now desperately want to come back to India, the only thing that seems to be holding them back is the education loan.

India looks to be in the same place US was in WWI, tons of opportunities, high optimism among the masses and a lot of young population desperate for success. There is tons of money to be made out there.

US looks to be stuck in needless conflicts, prolonged wars and wasting its energy, resources and wealth on pursuits which are going to give nothing in return.

People generally ask about the resurgence of India and China on the global scene, sure outsourcing is huge factor in it. But US really dug its own grave. If even US had spent half the money its spending on military and wars on development, with the kind of infrastructure US has, it would be unbeatable.

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