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Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by pests »

Fripplebubby wrote: post #63
_cenw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really depends on the quality of the peering you expect. It doesn't matter, until it does. Consumer ISPs sometimes do their utmost to not peer with open exchanges, and the entire thing gets even more complex when you go to places where bandwidth is more expensive (i.e. Oceania). There's a reason the favorite chart to exemplify value Cloudflare reps like to show is Argo Smart Routing, and why it costs about $100 pe…

I agree, and I would also put forward that most people don't understand what peering is or how it works. When people (usually developers who are not network engineers and have not worked at that level of the stack) talk about "egress", they mean delivering bits from your network (cloud or otherwise) to any other network on the internet. How can you put just one price on delivering a bit either to a host within the sa…

USPS manages to do it.

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Post by avereveard »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

Aws transfer costs seems off by a factor of ten sticker price is $0.09-0.14 per gb depending on region how did you get 100gb for 98$?

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Post by up2isomorphism »

I use to this kind of comparison to show the cost impact on public cloud, but the fact is that when business planning guy see this it becomes an evidence for cost saving to them: since these numbers, while looks expensive to engineers but they are nothing to them, and they can hire less people. I think it is helpful for typical engineering people to know more about corporate IT cost structure.

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Post by snapplebobapple »

amluto wrote: post #41
PreInternet01 wrote: post #7

The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…

> other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases My theory: it forces third party services into the same cloud. Suppose you use AWS and you want to pay a third party SaaS provider for some service involving moderate-to-large amounts of data. Here’s one of many examples: https://www.snowflake.com/en/data-cloud/pricing-options/ And look at this remarkable choice: you get to pick AWS…

Its this plus locking customers to one cloud, because egress kills intercloud syncing on any moderately large data set. Any smart customer would have a duplicated setup across clouds if egress cost what it actually cost instead of 100x plus what it actually costs

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Post by richardw »

Interesting that Google started on a system cobbled together from cheap servers, creating reliability out of unreliable components and against the Sun’s of the time. Now all the cloud vendors are effectively Sun.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by blackoil »

echelon wrote: post #101
nyc_data_geek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple. Excessive egress costs = vendor lock in, and yes, forcing third party services into the same cloud (the walled garden), and limiting customer choice. Just another reason so many orgs are getting heartburn from going too deep too fast into the cloud.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

It looks like Netlify $550 also includes hosting and CDN so not apple to apple.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by avereveard »

kkielhofner wrote: post #14
naiv wrote: post #2

I think the overview is missing a column of what data is actually allowed for 'free' egress. Iirc eg Cloudflare does not allow videos etc. as part of their free tier. edit: confused ingress and egress

We’re talking about egress - traffic leaving the network. Due to traffic patterns and other reasons (Hotel California) ingress is always free, egress is charged. There is some debate about the status of hosting video when using Cloudflare as a CDN. These comparisons are for hosts/object store. Cloudflare R2 has no restrictions on the type of content while not charging for egress.

R2 has some reasonable bandwidth usage in their terms of services and I don't see very large enterprises willing to play suspension roulette against unknown limits

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by pests »

jeffbee wrote: post #139
Aeolun wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that like its a service Google is providing, but it’s really just cheaper for them.

Explain that. Google egress is expensive because it is capable. You could operate a product like Zoom from it.

This is similar, with different tradeoffs, to what Riot did for their gaming backbone. They wrote a blog about this but I cant't find it.

Instead of relying on consumer ISP's to route gaming packets for speed, they would instead route them for costs. Taking extra hops and extra latency before reaching the target server.

Riot built an overlay network using their own fiber and negotiated BGP deals with consumer ISP's to get gaming traffic off the ISP's internal network on onto Riot's ASAP so they could route the packets directly to their gaming servers.

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Post by zmmmmm »

I'm curious what people would estimate is an actual reasonable cost for egress? As in, what it costs to provide that service plus a sensible margin?

It seems to me that eventually it will come to pass that competition regulators start to look at this. For now there's enough of an appearance of healthy competition that they probably aren't interested. But below the surface what they should be understanding is that these are highly anticompetitive mechanisms being deployed and the complexity of unwinding it later on may be such that intervention is justified much sooner than would ordinarily be the case.

Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by dessimus »

mholt wrote: post #32
naiv wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have free egress up to your data storage usage. So if you use 1TB storage but 2TB egress , it will not be free anymore.

Right; Backblaze has similar pricing as you can see on the table.

Backblaze let's you choose to pay more to exceed said cap, Wasabi's Pricing FAQ says customers that exceed the amount they are storing "are not a good fit" and that they reserve the right to rate-limit or cancel the account entirely.
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