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Should error messages apologize? (2013)

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Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

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I always like to split error messages into two categories - developer-facing and user-facing. The former is geared towards diagnosis, the latter is an act of customer service. The two should never be intertwined - I see this happen way more often than I should. When you present a user-facing error message, it's akin to admitting a failure of some kind. Whether it's a user error or a system error, the customer-centric…

"Sorry, you filled out the form incorrectly"

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

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I don't even like "We" in UI messages. "We couldn't find that site." "We're just updating your computer." Perhaps I'm just an old fogey, but passive voice feels like the only right choice: "The site could not be found." "Your computer is being updated." The insertion of "We" feels like an imposition; the company who wrote the code reaching in and enacting their will with your equipment, using your screen as their soa…

I don't even like verbs: "site not found" "software updating" edit: better: "update in progress"

"Found" and "Updating" are verbs, you just changed the tense.

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

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post #66

I don't even like "We" in UI messages. "We couldn't find that site." "We're just updating your computer." Perhaps I'm just an old fogey, but passive voice feels like the only right choice: "The site could not be found." "Your computer is being updated." The insertion of "We" feels like an imposition; the company who wrote the code reaching in and enacting their will with your equipment, using your screen as their soa…

>"The site could not be found." >"Your computer is being updated." But without the we, it is all passive voice. My English professors in college all hated passive voice.

The passive voice is fine. The error of writing in the passive voice when you shouldn't be is common enough in composition that it has been short-handed to "never use the passive voice" though.

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of interest what places are those?

In addition to the other couple of replies that mention Japan, I would suggest, just start paying attention to this in the sense of deliberative practice, and you may find that your brain has been doing more editing on your social interactions than you may have realized. Sometimes the hardest things to see are the things we deal with all the time because our brains just read them as baseline. There's only a handful o…

A similar effect: the imperative (giving orders). It is nearly as taboo in English, to just use the imperative, as it is in Japan. For example, if you have a dinner guest, you will ask "Would you like some more? Could you pass the salt?" It's always very indirect, put as a request that may be refused, or a suggestion. In other cultures, it may just be the bare imperative - "Eat more! Give me the salt." - and this is perfectly polite, contextually.

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

#146
Many years ago I had a girlfriend who worriedly asked me about an "illegal instruction" error when her browser crashed. She added that she was not on a porn or shady site. She had read "illegal" and interpreted as applying to something she did. People who aren't into computers and software don't know wtf an "illegal instruction" is. They just want to know what to do fix it and not have it happen again.

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

#147

I always like to split error messages into two categories - developer-facing and user-facing. The former is geared towards diagnosis, the latter is an act of customer service. The two should never be intertwined - I see this happen way more often than I should. When you present a user-facing error message, it's akin to admitting a failure of some kind. Whether it's a user error or a system error, the customer-centric…

"Sorry, you filled out the form incorrectly"

lol yes, ironically. It does sound silly, but it's entirely possible that the form itself was confusing, so maybe the business could have done a better job of steering the customer towards filling out the entries correctly. That's the kind of thing I mean.

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

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I like my error messages to eschew anthropomorphisms.

Tell me what went wrong so I can figure out how to fix it. I don’t care whose fault it is or how very sorry they are for the mistake. Even saying “the website you are trying to contact is down” can be misleading, maybe it’s not down, maybe I’ve lost my internet connection or the ip changed and dns hasn’t updated, or I have some rule locally that is redirecting me incorrectly. Guiding someone into an assumption is harmful and a waste of time, if not dangerous.

I understand that consumer stuff is all about dumbing down the experience so that an idiot can do the thing (we should strive for the most idiot proof interface possible), but that design principle is useless when things go wrong and you need to fix it.

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

#149
post #66

I don't even like "We" in UI messages. "We couldn't find that site." "We're just updating your computer." Perhaps I'm just an old fogey, but passive voice feels like the only right choice: "The site could not be found." "Your computer is being updated." The insertion of "We" feels like an imposition; the company who wrote the code reaching in and enacting their will with your equipment, using your screen as their soa…

“apologies, the site cannot be found”

Re: Should error messages apologize? (2013)

#150
post #66

I don't even like "We" in UI messages. "We couldn't find that site." "We're just updating your computer." Perhaps I'm just an old fogey, but passive voice feels like the only right choice: "The site could not be found." "Your computer is being updated." The insertion of "We" feels like an imposition; the company who wrote the code reaching in and enacting their will with your equipment, using your screen as their soa…

>"The site could not be found." >"Your computer is being updated." But without the we, it is all passive voice. My English professors in college all hated passive voice.

I bet they also told you to “avoid alliteration, always” ;)
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