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Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by midasuni »

arter4 wrote: post #118
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an image of the fridge you could have GPT vision interpret it and offer you recipes or what is missing. I personally like the idea of smart home things and everything connected. It feels like it opens up so many possibilities or ideas. Do I need it for survival? No. But I do like the idea and how it triggers my imagination.

>you could have GPT vision interpret it and offer you recipes or what is missing What is missing and what I should buy are different things. If my fridge has yogurt, bacon and some hamburgers, you might say "well, you are missing eggs". Except maybe I don't want eggs. I may be even allergic. Or maybe I like eggs but I'm in some low-protein diet for whatever reason. The goal of a fridge is not to have literally everyt…

“You are missing Evards brand milk, buy Evards for that fresh taste, I’ve added it to your list for you”

Any potential benefit from such a device would be destroyed by the cancerous advertising industry.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by alpaca128 »

bee_rider wrote: post #116
Twisell wrote: post #75

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It seem even funnier. From my research. The "side by side" standard US frige is what we call in France American fridge because it has two door and look so oversized and fancy compared to the standard fridge in france. The US "french-door fridge" take the oversizing a step further by adding a third door on the bottom of the "side by side" design. We don't even have a name for theses fridges as nobody buy theses, so I…

We do have a thing in the US called a micro fridge. College students will often get one for their dorm rooms. For the biggest fridge you describe, the extra space is usually a freezer. If you are going to have a freezer anyway, it seems like an overall savings to include it in the fridge. If you don’t have a freezer, you won’t have any icecream, and then is life really worth living?

In my experience that mix only means twice the failure rate with twice the fallout.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

arter4 wrote: post #118
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have an image of the fridge you could have GPT vision interpret it and offer you recipes or what is missing. I personally like the idea of smart home things and everything connected. It feels like it opens up so many possibilities or ideas. Do I need it for survival? No. But I do like the idea and how it triggers my imagination.

>you could have GPT vision interpret it and offer you recipes or what is missing What is missing and what I should buy are different things. If my fridge has yogurt, bacon and some hamburgers, you might say "well, you are missing eggs". Except maybe I don't want eggs. I may be even allergic. Or maybe I like eggs but I'm in some low-protein diet for whatever reason. The goal of a fridge is not to have literally everyt…

I mean more interactive way, not notifications being sent.

E.g. you start interaction by asking the fridge - I am a bit tired, what is an easy thing to cook based on what I have in the fridge and I am stopping by the store, is there anything I should buy to have a few more options.

So GPT vision takes image of what is in the fridge and then tries to solve for that question. If user is allergic to something that would be in GPT's prompt.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by midasuni »

beAbU wrote: post #134
darreninthenet wrote: post #110

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If you're home or not upstairs asleep I guess it's sufficient

And what do you do if you are not home?

So the fridge just opened itself?

Ok, I’ll bite. What do you do? Your phone has just told you the fridge door is open. Now what? You aren’t at home, so you can’t close it.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by Kluggy »

willi59549879 wrote: post #27
Kluggy wrote: post #2

We have a fancy Samsung fridge with display. I was livid the first day I woke up and entered the kitchen and there was a full screen ad on the display greeting me pre-coffee. I vowed to never buy another fancy appliance again and took it off the WiFi network.

i don't understand why people buy smart devices. with anything smart i can't know what exactly the device is doing. plus the software will most likely stop being supported. by then it is just a potential tool to being hacked

My wife really wanted the live calendar display on the fridge, which was useful.

It was on an isolated WiFi network so it couldn’t communicate with any other devices in the house, but I didn’t count on ads being served directly on a $3000 device.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by beAbU »

darreninthenet wrote: post #93
beAbU wrote: post #77

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Why? Just close the door properly. Ajust the feet so the fridge stands on a slight angle, so the door swings shut on it's own. What help is a temperature alarm if you are away. A fridge is used daily, surely you'll notice if the temperature is not what it's supposed to be.

I really have no idea how to reply to this without sounding like an ass so apologies in advance. Well yeah duh if the door was shut properly every time fridges wouldn't need door or temperature alarms at all (most have an audible one already). But it's called an alarm for a reason, sometimes shit goes wrong and it's handy to know before all the food has been at room temperature all day. We had a freezer door pop open…

At least you apologised in advance You make the perfect argument for a physical alarm. I agree, that makes perfect sense, and is a cheap addition that significantly improves quality of life.

Will you be woken up by a midnight phone notification that the fridge is open? I tend to sleep stuff like that.

Does a once in 40 years mistake justify carrying an app around that does god knows what else, and the extra expense and hassle of a fridge that might or might not spy on you?

Do we need to therefore instrument our stoves, ovens, baths and basins to insulate ourselves from the other common domestic nightmare scenarios?

Also, you talk about intruder alarms? I thought we were talking about "smart" wifi connected fridges? That's a completely different scenario, and I fully agree with you. I pay a security company to monitor my alarm, and they visit my house within 5 minutes of the alarm triggering. But my fridge can stay as dumb as it gets, thanks. Literally the only thing its allowed to do is go brrr.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by arter4 »

midasuni wrote: post #141
arter4 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you could have GPT vision interpret it and offer you recipes or what is missing What is missing and what I should buy are different things. If my fridge has yogurt, bacon and some hamburgers, you might say "well, you are missing eggs". Except maybe I don't want eggs. I may be even allergic. Or maybe I like eggs but I'm in some low-protein diet for whatever reason. The goal of a fridge is not to have literally everyt…

“You are missing Evards brand milk, buy Evards for that fresh taste, I’ve added it to your list for you” Any potential benefit from such a device would be destroyed by the cancerous advertising industry.

Exactly. This would turn a fridge into yet another thing serving ads. No thanks.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by arter4 »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #143
arter4 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you could have GPT vision interpret it and offer you recipes or what is missing What is missing and what I should buy are different things. If my fridge has yogurt, bacon and some hamburgers, you might say "well, you are missing eggs". Except maybe I don't want eggs. I may be even allergic. Or maybe I like eggs but I'm in some low-protein diet for whatever reason. The goal of a fridge is not to have literally everyt…

I mean more interactive way, not notifications being sent. E.g. you start interaction by asking the fridge - I am a bit tired, what is an easy thing to cook based on what I have in the fridge and I am stopping by the store, is there anything I should buy to have a few more options. So GPT vision takes image of what is in the fridge and then tries to solve for that question. If user is allergic to something that would…

Ok, but if it's interactive I can open a fridge, take a picture of it and upload it to ChatGPT. You wouldn't need a smart fridge for that.

You would need a smart fridge if you wanted to directly connect the fridge with ChatGPT. Which is what I assumed in the previous comment.

Re: Goodbye non-KISS appliances

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Post by comboy »

al_borland wrote: post #106
brodsky wrote: post #25

When we upgraded our appliances, the "smart" or "wifi-enabled" ones were specifically avoided like the plague. "Dumb" appliances - especially fridges, for some reason - are becoming hard to come by, but they do exist. Electrolux, KitchenAid, even LG all make some no-frills models that can save both money and frustration. Hopefully those companies continue serving the "luddite techie" market.

We should also hope they remain cheaper, and companies don’t start selling the “smart” appliances for less with the idea that they can somehow makeup for it on data collection or ongoing upsells and subscriptions.

I wouldn't. Cost to make a device "smart" is much less than $1 in parts, app and infrastructure are not rocket science and even with no evil intentions you get very valuable data on usage, what breaks first, environment, location etc. Seems like a no-brainer.

Those will soon also not require you to connect them to your wifi, NB-IoT both chips and plans cost for businesses are already very good.

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