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Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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> laden with ads, "Rewards" Points Serious question: Where do you see ads? I’ve used Windows 11 since it came out, and have never experienced a single advertisement.

Did you install it? They advertise cloud storage, office software, and gaming in the setup process.

Maybe that’s it. I untick all of the boxes during install and use a local account instead of a Microsoft account.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Isn't there a dumb / light version of Windows 10 that removes all these anti-features and bloat? I just want to play games and surf the web with FF.

Windows 10 (IoT) LTSC 2021. It lets you uninstall Edge with just a right-click. And it doesn't have any 'modern apps' and Store preinstalled.

But a normal consumer can’t purchase that version of Windows, can they?

in a non-shady/license-compliant way

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Not an answer but better alternative: Kagi. Paid, but it pays for itself. Not affiliated. Just satisfied.

Kagi does not have an equivalent to Bing Chat does it. The latter is an AI.

It has exactly that with access to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Mistral AIs, but you have to pay for the Ultimate plan.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Ok, then tell me how to add search engine to Safari iOS/Desktop and Firefox Desktop without building and downloading extra extensions. Search url: https://api.hackertarget.com/geoip/?q=%s

For Firefox Desktop, just create a bookmark with your search URL and assign a keyword to it, e.g. URL: https://api.hackertarget.com/geoip/?q=%s Keyword: @geoip ...then Alt+D and queue off the keyword directly from address bar.

Okay, it is possible. But firefox UX is the greatest. You must use bookmarks to config search.

And now I have many nonsense bookmarks because I want to use them as search

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Dark patterns are certainly evil. I don't think they help the company in the long run. However, I just went on a sort of browser deep dive for the best browser on windows and came away, surprisingly, with edge. The requirements were vertical tabs, keep my chrome extensions, and got out of my way. Brave, firefox, chrome, and vivaldi all had issues that couldn't be resolved in the UI. For example, firefox's tree style…

I’m also in a similar position, trying to choose a good browser after a fresh windows install. While edge is nice, the lack of containers alone is making me want to switch to Firefox. Not dealing with Google’s new cookie bs and not having a restricted ad blocker is just a bonus.

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Firefox for iOS supports keyword and %s url scheme for search engines. I am not sure why extensions are needed in desktop. You can change default search engine, but you cannot add extra search engines in Safari without building your own extension (and paying apple for it)

>I am not sure why extensions are needed in desktop. They aren't. Why do you claim things that aren't true?

Okay, extensions or bookmarks must be used to create custom search.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39239822

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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FYI -- on my MBP I use a program called Spectacle to snap windows around, and I now have no complaints relative to what you can do on Windows. Development on Spectacle ceased[1] and it looks like the community may have rallied around an open-source program called Rectangle, which is open source. At least, judging from this single Reddit thread lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/kazpcn/spectacle_alter... [1] A…

I use Rectangle for this purpose.

I use Amethyst, but it's keyboard, not mouse driven, so a bit different.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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Windows just keeps getting weirder. There's this regrettable dichotomy between (1) a rock solid OS core with great features like Hyper-V, PowerShell and exceptional back-compat, and (2) a crap, sluggish, inconsistent UI slapped on top, laden with ads, "Rewards" Points and tracking.

It’s weird right? 1. keeps me firmly on the platform, I find it a delight how often things “just work”. Run a linux app? Just works. Hook up some niche 15yo printer? Just works. Run a game/demo made 20 years ago? Just works. Even MS Paint very much still just works. It all just works and then the perfectly good Mail app is forcing my mom to switch to the new Outlook, which is Mail, but messier, with ads. What? I wish…

Having been yelled at repeatedly by an exec, please don't really do this. It is never constructive. Even yelling by Steve Jobs was unwarranted. If you have to yell at people there is a bigger problem which must be resolved first.

Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice

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WSL2, power toys and hands down the best window management of any OS, I hate working on my MBP just due to the difficulty of managing different windows and aligning them on the same desktop.

FYI -- on my MBP I use a program called Spectacle to snap windows around, and I now have no complaints relative to what you can do on Windows. Development on Spectacle ceased[1] and it looks like the community may have rallied around an open-source program called Rectangle, which is open source. At least, judging from this single Reddit thread lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/kazpcn/spectacle_alter... [1] A…

I use Rectangle and still have complaints about Mac window management. Rectangle itself is great, but it's discernably a patch over a bad window management paradigm, and the awkwardness underneath pretty regularly shows through.

As just one example—the dock is atrocious for a browser-centric workflow. I only ever have 2 "apps" open at a time, but I have 6 Firefox windows and 2 IDE windows, and remembering where I put a specific window (or even that I already have it open!) is a chronic problem. I know about right-click to show all, but the text that pops up is small (it's a context menu, not a first-class navigation element) and that doesn't help with the discoverability problem.

I'm sure that there are other apps to patch the other aspects of the system that irritate me, but if you have to install 4 third party tools to get something close to how good Windows is out of the box then I'd say OP has a good point.

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