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Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by asadotzler »

lolinder wrote: post #86
peterallport wrote: post #61

Apple must allow alternate payment modes without imposing a gatekeeper tax. It must be consistent without exceptions (i.e. not just Amazon). The issue is not the gratuitous fee, it is the lack of choice. iOS is more ubiquitous than macOS yet more restrictive--it cannot last. This entitlement is so restrictive -- it just seems vindictive. Apple's market share and success means additional responsibility. The argument t…

This argument has been repeatedly made over the past 24 hours with a lot of emotion but little justification. The judge forced Apple to unbundle their payments. Apple's solution to that is probably overly restrictive. And I suspect that you're right that 27% is too large a cut to survive. With both of those points granted, though, your argument seems to be that Apple should be obliged to host, distribute, and market…

>your argument seems to be that Apple should be obliged to host, distribute, and market apps (including the burden of moderation and malware prevention) for free.

OR, you know, let me use an alternate store that has the policies I approve of.

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by tstrimple »

paulddraper wrote: post #135
danbruc wrote: post #130

The economy primarily exists to benefit the consumers, not the producers. With that in mind, I should be able to run any operating system on an iPhone I bought. Apple should not be required to actively support this, put in extra work to document things or whatnot, but they should not be allowed to actively make things harder. If I got an iOS license, I should be able to install and run any application and be able to…

Is 30% reasonable?

They are the terms the developers on the platform agreed to.

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by s1artibartfast »

blibble wrote: post #42
xivzgrev wrote: post #39

I mean I gotta give respect to Apple. They seem to have done the minimal technical compliance with the order. Users can make a purchase for their app outside of the App Store. But at the same time they put in as much friction as they could, including reframing the charge to developer as a lead commission - and the net cost to developer is HIGHER than using Apple. Of course epic is going to challenge the spirit of the…

> I mean I gotta give respect to Apple. They seem to have done the minimal technical compliance with the order. it's borderline contempt of court > I can respect though how they approached a potentially large setback for their business. I'd be pretty mad if I was the judge, they might like my 2nd ruling even less

I dont think the courts are bothered at all. Apple is complying with the ruling, and exercising the rights the court agreed it has.

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by cesarvarela »

paulddraper wrote: post #135
danbruc wrote: post #130

The economy primarily exists to benefit the consumers, not the producers. With that in mind, I should be able to run any operating system on an iPhone I bought. Apple should not be required to actively support this, put in extra work to document things or whatnot, but they should not be allowed to actively make things harder. If I got an iOS license, I should be able to install and run any application and be able to…

Is 30% reasonable?

Would the iPhone be as successful if it wasn't reasonable?

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by decremental »

edgyquant wrote: post #137
Muromec wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See: bin Laden's letter to America doing rounds in the internet in 2023.

False equivalency. Most people like living in America and tons of people want to move there, while only religious fanatics would be okay living in a country built and controlled by Al-qaeda

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Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by cyberax »

ado__dev wrote: post #7

Honestly if forcing everything through Apple's walled garden wasn't anti-competitive enough, this move certainly makes it so. What's next - pay 30% Apple tax for purchases made through Safari? I'm deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem. From phone, to computer, to home automation stuff. I have no desire to use a secondary app store. But I want that option to be be available. And there is no good reason for Apple to b…

> What's next - pay 30% Apple tax for purchases made through Safari?

Yes. It's only fair that Apple should get 30% of your income, because an Apple computer obviously made it possible for you to earn your income.

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by asadotzler »

dkonofalski wrote: post #115
ado__dev wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But again, you have the choice of not using Epic. You can use Unity, or any other game engine, or even make your own if you're so inclined. With Apple, you don't have a choice if you want to be on iOS (which has close to 60% marketshare in the US). And I'm not arguing that apple needs to reduce the fee. They can charge whatever they want for their IAP system. But, other companies that have software/services that are…

iOS is not a market segment. Smartphones is the segment and so you do have a choice. The courts have already ruled that Apple doesn't have a monopoly in their segment.

That's not what the courts have been saying lately. iOS app distribution and Android app distribution have both been called relevant markets in recent trails.

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by danbruc »

paulddraper wrote: post #135
danbruc wrote: post #130

The economy primarily exists to benefit the consumers, not the producers. With that in mind, I should be able to run any operating system on an iPhone I bought. Apple should not be required to actively support this, put in extra work to document things or whatnot, but they should not be allowed to actively make things harder. If I got an iOS license, I should be able to install and run any application and be able to…

Is 30% reasonable?

The cost of distributing an app is not tied to its price, it probably mostly depends on things like size and so should be a reasonable prize.

Re: Apple's bad faith 27% tax on web purchases

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Post by spywaregorilla »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #126
lykahb wrote: post #108

Apple collects the rent from the apps that exist withn their walled garden. Epic employs behavioural specialists tasked in making their games addictive and coerce user into spending with micro-transactions. I do not want to take a side in this fight.

Me neither. Epic is such an obvious part of a walled-garden duopoly with monetary and lobbying power that nation states would be envious of and has done such things in the past that is unheard of in case of Apple, or maybe is equal to Apple hence, of course, no taking sides.

ridiculous hyperbole
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