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Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]
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#142Being antagonistic from the start, barely letting them say anything, isn't a good start. The further through the video the more I wonder if it was personality rather than performance or anything else.
Also our layoffs were done similarly, HR picked the people, we never found out the exact reasoning, and it was handled by our manager's manager instead of our direct manager.
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#143Honestly, I don't get why HR should be allowed to take such calls independently, or even be granted any independent function as such. Granted, most of my work experience was at (relatively) small companies (although one was a multi-billion dollar asset manager). HR is mostly a redundant department that folks from admin and legal can and should easily do. In fact, this was exactly the case at one of my internships in…
My understanding is one of the folks on the call is the Global Head of GTM Business Partners. Not exactly junior.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Presumably these Cloudflare HR employees do have the data for why this person was laid off, and they might even have it in front of them, but yeah legally they can't give them any more specifics. As far as I'm aware, evidence of good performance could be used to strengthen their case to collect unemployment (if Cloudflare tries to fight Brittany's unemployment claim); it could also be used as evidence in a discrimina…
> … legally they can't give them any more specifics. Could you please provide a source for that? That can be an important distinction for an employee. For example, when answering the question "Why did you leave your previous job?" It's important for the now ex-employee to have accurat information.
they're wrong. Employees in California have the right to request their HR files including performance reviews and anything used to determine their termination. https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_righttoinspectpersonnelfiles...
Re: Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]
#145I get why Brittany's mad: Cloudflare appears to be handling this about as bad as possible. But those two HR randos aren't gonna have anything worthwhile to say, either. I don't want to be judgmental of Brittany because it's a sucky call to have to take. But my recommendation in this situation is to say "I disagree with that assessment of my performance, but I understand you are terminating my employment. What details…
Presumably these Cloudflare HR employees do have the data for why this person was laid off, and they might even have it in front of them, but yeah legally they can't give them any more specifics. As far as I'm aware, evidence of good performance could be used to strengthen their case to collect unemployment (if Cloudflare tries to fight Brittany's unemployment claim); it could also be used as evidence in a discrimina…
I don't think it's a mass layoff. Only new hires are probably affected.
Cloudflare did a layoff in sales that impacted ~ 100 underperforming people in May last year. It was discussed on investor day by their CEO ( https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... -> section profitability ).
They actually hired 100 other people to get average sales people around the same time, instead of underperformers. The expectation was that those new hires ( ~ May 2023 ) would see results that year => december 2023.
Probably the new sales hires were also being graded and those layed off were underperforming versus their peers.
The only thing I'm wondering, is that the performance review was fair for newer hires, but that's speculation. There are a lot of other ways to know if someone is underperforming ( eg. Feedback from 1 of the 3 sales she didn't close, too little general IT knowledge since all of Cloudflare products are very technical, ...)
And if you're in sales, there's only 1 metric that counts...She mentioned to have 0 sales...
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this a US thing where the company doesn't want to give any reasons for firing someone because that can be used in a lawsuit against them?
I would say so. This video is a perfect demonstration of America's "at-will employment" culture. It's extremely asymmetrical, too. Companies can fire you at any moment, for any reason (with or without cause!)... yet it is considered rude for employees to not provide ample notice when deciding to voluntarily quit.
Everyone says this as if it's not also considered rude/bad behavior for a company to lay off people with no notice. It's rude either way. Both employer and employee can opt to do it without the usual graceful phase out, but they risk backlash from other employees. Either team members getting a bad impression of someone leaving suddenly, or getting a bad feeling about the company after unexpected layoffs.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
The person in this TikTok admits to having closed zero sales. They're also one of the most junior people on the team (4.5 months). They would be among the first to go under union rules, too. Unions are often worse at prioritizing things like tenure over performance, if anything. But even under those rules she was one of the most junior people. There is basically no situation where a union would have prioritized this…
Stop sticking up for this garbage please. Have some empathy? • Third quarter revenue totaled $335.6 million, representing an increase of 32% year-over-year Do we need to feel sorry for cloudflare or something? She says on the call, or her feedback has been positive, so why should she expect a negative outcome like this? As a junior, she should be given the appropriate and valid feedback so she can learn and improve f…
You're kinda talking about fixing shitty human behavior in general and that is really just incredibly hard. Adding a union wouldn't fix that.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope it’s not. It’s illegal to record a conversation where no participant is aware of the recording. She is aware, so it’s all fine
That’s in a one-party state. There are many all-party states, where you need to have consent from all parties. Even if the video call is being recorded (very likely), you still need to seek consent for your recording. Of course, IANAL, but I’d be interested if there’s an additional distinction about the purpose of the recording (internal records, public broadcast) and whether the consent would also need to extend to…
While I was not aware there are state level laws for this, she appears to be from Georgia.
Not sure how this would work with inter-state conversations.
Georgia is not on the list: California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is amazing video for making a legal case against Cloudflare. Cloudflare took a stupid, unnecessary risk here by trying to put this on performance when they haven't documented it.
What case? At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time.
There are a host of laws regarding termination, even in at will states, especially for companies of Cloudflare's size.
Giving an invalid reason that is unsupported by facts is generally a strong place for a lawyer to assert "wrongful termination" and invoke those laws.
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#150Sad. Well, I've lost a lot of admiration for Cloudflare. Shame.
Just because an employee who worked 4.5 months with zero sales gets laid off? This is the problem with social media, now people think whoever makes the most noise is right. I've seen people getting fired for far less and they didn't make a fuss about it anywhere.