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YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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Everybody should keep their children far from morals? What?

"once upon a time a beautiful but poor girl married a rich dude and everything was great"

Why not "once upon a time a beautiful but poor dude married a rich girl and everything was great"? Oh. Right.

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It’s only a valid positive take if it were in any way novel. But there are already loads of such cases. The Content ID system is just broken by design, and they’ve clearly demonstrated no interest in fixing it. The system is designed for abuse. Most notably here, even a successful dispute on the grounds of the work being in the public domain doesn’t stop the claimer from claiming new videos that match , which it very…

I wouldn't say it's broken by design - it's just a matter of incentives that heavily favor taking content down over allowing it to stay. - If Youtube issues a copyright strike that wasn't warranted, a single creator will be pissed of. And apart from Mr. Beast and a handful of others, youtube's relies on large numbers of small creators, so is quite resilient on that front. Apart from that - where are these creators go…

The DMCA states that YouTube must respond immediately to claims. They have no option but to take action. This puts them in a precarious situation. They can either a) initially assume all claims are valid and handle arbitration while the video is unavailable or b) attempt to become experts at evaluating claims from the onset and open themselves up for liability. Given that the law is NEVER black and white, it's no surprise they chose option 1.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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post #76

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In the original stories the bad guys are punished in a cruel and horrible way. Like forced to dance with red-hot iron shoes.

The Girl Who Sold Matches is my personal favorite.

The modern version is The Guy Who Sold Loose Cigarettes, and Was Choked To Death.

Moral of the story: Don't sell matches without a permit -corporations would starve. R.I.P. Eric Garner

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#144

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Google has two options here: 1) Accept all take down notices at face value and let the courts handle disputes 2) Become a mediator and open themselves up for liability It's no surprise Google chooses option 1 given the scale they must operate at. It's a consequence of the legal system which makes Google liable for not taking action immediately on valid claims, but also making it such validity not determined until aft…

And a consequence of their choice to operate at a certain scale.

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post #91

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Lessig isn't saying we should keep children away from morals. He's criticizing how Disney adapted the Brothers Grimm's stories, which often preached heavy-handed and regressive moral lessons in a moralizing manner.

No, he's referring to the Grimm stories. They are indeed violent. They simply are a product of their time. The Disney version is easier to digest. All of this should not detract from his main point, tho.

All of this should not detract from the fact that Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, "Spare Tire" Dixon.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#146

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Lessig isn't saying we should keep children away from morals. He's criticizing how Disney adapted the Brothers Grimm's stories, which often preached heavy-handed and regressive moral lessons in a moralizing manner.

This is an almost impressive misinterpretation. What lessig is likely referring to is the violent and grotesque consequences of the original Grimm stories as well as their brazen antisemitism. https://www.history.com/news/the-dark-side-of-the-grimm-fair...

Everyone was antisemitic back then, even semites –against other semites. Not unlike current events.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

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I wouldn't say it's broken by design - it's just a matter of incentives that heavily favor taking content down over allowing it to stay. - If Youtube issues a copyright strike that wasn't warranted, a single creator will be pissed of. And apart from Mr. Beast and a handful of others, youtube's relies on large numbers of small creators, so is quite resilient on that front. Apart from that - where are these creators go…

Youtube has to follow the DMCA, yes. And much of the problem is the fault of the law, not of Youtube. But nothing in law requires them to implement Content ID at all, let alone to allow big corporations to claim any content they want, or for users who dispute Content ID claims to have their claims adjudicated by the corporation who made the claim, or to allow those corporations to retain their access to the system af…

But there's the law and then there's a company's ability to make another's life miserable by way of lawsuit. So even if you're right, getting sued by Disney, Warner Brothers, Universal and every other player in the media world on a regular basis will cost you a staggering amount of time and money and will generate a lot of bad press. Just taking content down on the other hand costs you very little.

And since copyright and fair use law is very much decided on a case-by-case basis, there wouldn't be the one big victory which ensures they're being left alone - just an endless string of costly litigation.

Youtube isn't a public interest group or a civil rights movement that's in it for a legal or ideological goal. They're a business looking to make money. I know it sucks for the creators, but I think that's what it comes down to.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#148

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"once upon a time a beautiful but poor girl married a rich dude and everything was great"

Why not "once upon a time a beautiful but poor dude married a rich girl and everything was great"? Oh. Right.

Aladdin?

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#149
post #10

If someone scans a recent DVD release of SW, is it still public domain? Or must you have access to an original film reel from the early 1900 and scan that? Do anyone have besides in some Disney archive? Has issues like that ever been clarified?

If you consider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality the answer seems to be "it depends" For example, in the US there have been cases where high quality reproductions of old public domain paintings did not meet the threshold of originality to qualify for copyright. Remastered audio recordings with adjustments such as equalisation and sound editing were ruled to be eligible for copyright in 2016, the…

Actually, according to Wikipedia, starting in 2021, even Germany requires human creativity for a work to be protected by copyright. They explicitly say in the law that simple reproduction of public domain works is not protected.

Re: YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim

#150

From a moral philosophy perspective, corporations like Google display a concerning ethical imbalance when they fail to proactively uphold the common good in scenarios where there's no direct financial benefit. A question to HN, since there are a ton of Googlers on here, what are the justifications of those who work within such organizations, particularly when there are other companies that seem to manage a better bal…

Google has two options here: 1) Accept all take down notices at face value and let the courts handle disputes 2) Become a mediator and open themselves up for liability It's no surprise Google chooses option 1 given the scale they must operate at. It's a consequence of the legal system which makes Google liable for not taking action immediately on valid claims, but also making it such validity not determined until aft…

This is a false dichotomy that lets Google off the hook for irresponsibility and amorality.

If Google’s management is not responsible for Google’s pathological behavior, then nobody is.

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