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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article states that Mozilla is far from dying and that it’s diversifying itself away from Firefox.

>that it’s diversifying itself away from Firefox And Firefox is their only worthwhile product, so moving away from Firefox means they're dying.

I don't know what I'd do if Firefox died. Maybe it's time Firefox starts diversifying itself away from Mozilla.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

Honestly these kinds of posts are tiresome and unhelpful. Yes, Mozilla is different now, yes the CEO makes too much money but if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink to satisfy people who can’t be satisfied. Seriously, Mozilla cant win. A large voice of people constantly scold Mozilla for anything it does. We’ve heard from Firefox devs on how this ba…

I dont like Mozilla, I like firefox... I am using it right now.

One of the reasons firefox is dying is because they are chasing market share and not listening to the users at all.

They look at Edge, Chrome, etc and try to duplicate them hoping to peel off users.

They look everything under the sun but what the actual users of their actual product want... Us users they just ignore us.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Firefox will make a massive comeback if chromes kicks out Adblocker next year.

I would love to believe that..

Same as next year will be the year of mass adoption of Linux by consumers.

Yet history and trends point in the other direction

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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CEOs need to be stopped.

Yes, we must violently defend the business owners and cororate boards who hire them and sign their checks, while specifically attacking the CEOs themselves.

Forget scapegoating one group or another as "the" problem. A lasting solution to the diffuse solidarity, fair pay, and job security problems with the tech industry is worker-owned co-ops and nonprofits. Without the people doing the work that make the profits having equal participation in policy and ownership in the profits, there will always be a layer who does little to nothing yet demands more money. The problem is too many tech people presume they're making what they're worth when they're making wildly varying amounts with little or no security. Highly-productive shops with good morale and fairness will retain good people for longer than shitty places subject to the whims of golden parachute types, publicly-traded stock investors, and board of directors who are also majority owners.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

Firefox might be dead soon but Mozilla will probably live on as a VPN company. Opera is also like that. The original browser is dead, replaced by a Chromium reskin, and they're making money from microlending in Africa instead.

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"The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services." I sense a great disturbance in the Force...

Last year it was IoT

Before that it was a mobile OS that failed to gain traction.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

The CEO is paying income tax on that, presumably.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs.

One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38533109

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They likely view the idea off competing with Chrome - a key chess piece of the company keeping Mozilla around merely as a pet to ward of regulators - as impossible if not counterproductive to their mid-term survival at this point. Which is to say, at some point they might become annoying enough for Google to not want to pay them anymore, and then Mozilla would cease to exist shortly thereafter. So with that in mind,…

Right. What would be lost if they used Chromium as well? Sure, there would be a lack of competition but at this point the browser is the fuel of the internet. We don't have multiple different type of gasoline, or home heating oil. The browser - sans Google Chrome's "spyware" - is a commodity. I'd rather see Mozilla focus on privacy, etc. My dream is for them to add a privacy-centric email product, a robust enough off…

> We don't have multiple different type of gasoline

We have diesel and gasoline at least.

However the key difference ethere is somewhat different: We have independent supply lines, starting at different oil fields, going through different refineries, into different distribution networks, which ensures that there is some competition (even oligopolic is better than plain monopoly) and supply chain attacks on one vendor don't havoc the complete supply chain.

For a practical example: Countries were able to massively reduce the dependance on Russian gas and oil recently.

If Google however decides to havoc chromium development all dependants have trouble.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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If they are prioritizing projects other than Firefox, what are people’s favorite non-Firefox, non-Chrome/Chromium (for obvious reasons) browsers?

Firefox makes a lot of noise about their anti-tracking and pro-privacy features. I liked Suckless surf, but missed the granular JavaScript setting of noscript. And, I have no idea, but Privacy Badger must be doing something I guess?

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