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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by chrismorgan »

nulbyte wrote: post #64
chrismorgan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t realistically host an email server on your phone, which is what is meant. For that to work, your phone would need to be able to be woken up (to handle receiving a message) by arbitrary parties on the internet at any time, which is generally considered undesirable, quite apart from the bother caused by your phone ever being offline (sender’s server will keep retrying every so often for a couple of days, send…

> You can’t realistically host an email server on your phone, which is what is meant. For that to work, your phone would need to be able to be woken up (to handle receiving a message)... What you have described is normal behavior for a modern wireless device. Temporary interruptions occur regularly, a reason for which store and forward designs feature in email servers to this day. The problem to overcome is not tempo…

The modern wireless device communicates regularly in this way with one trusted, well-known, well-behaving service. That’s very different from allowing anyone in the world to ping your phone and wake it up, at any time.

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Post by plagiarist »

rixthefox wrote: post #120
airstrike wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the truth, really. Email should cost [$0.02] or some similar value. You'd solve spam overnight.

I disagree. I don't believe that would solve spam you would just force the spammers to use much more aggressive tactics. If you introduce a fee to email you're only hurting the people who actively communicate back and forth via email as a primary method. Mailing lists anyone? Spammers will take your $0.02 fee per email as an operational expense. Most spam is not sent by the spammers themselves from their own servers…

How much is the cost of the third party now compared to how much it would be when there is a 2 cent per email overhead?

I had a look at legit services, Sender will let me do 30k emails at around $15/mo. If I can assume that's representative, I only need the profit multiplied by probability of a sale to beat $0.0005 to make money. If I had to beat $0.02, I would need to increase the odds, perhaps by sending only to interested parties. Or somehow drastically increase my profit margins by 40x without reducing the probability of a sale.

We would simply have far less spam with a per email fee.

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Post by ajdude »

rafaelrc wrote: post #91
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

> A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack of privacy. Just like a "free" government option?

A crucial difference being that the government option is publicly funded and ideally does not have an incentive to sell their users' souls in exchange for shareholder profits.

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Post by MereInterest »

lesuorac wrote: post #80
cogman10 wrote: post #76

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Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness. Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

> The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

Because if I want to open a bank account, rent an apartment, or get a mortgage, the other party requires me to give them my SSN, on the assumption that it is a valid unique key for tracking debt payment reliability.

It doesn’t matter that the SSN is only legally required for interactions with the US government. When housing is a human necessity, and all sources of housing require a SSN, then using a SSN is not a choice from which one can infer preferences.

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Post by iAMkenough »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #133
iAMkenough wrote: post #125

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Nothing can go wrong? In that case, the government should create a public social network as a utility alongside other social media services too.

Sure, although I think the utility of a communications network capable of receiving and sending documents within a country is very well proven to be a benefit to society, so any comparison to something less battle tested seems unnecessary. It makes no sense that in the physical world, we entrust government with identity verification and transmitting correspondence, but that trust is somehow lost in the digital world.

I think the utility of a social communications network capable of receiving and sending updates within a country is a very well proven benefit to society, so any attempt to draw a line between email and social updates seems unnecessary.

Each US citizen deserves access to a public network to express their First Amendment right without moderation.

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Post by plagiarist »

ubertaco wrote: post #117
airstrike wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the truth, really. Email should cost [$0.02] or some similar value. You'd solve spam overnight.

Yeah, just like how physical mail works. Nobody ever has to deal with spam in their physical mailbox. (/s) That just becomes marketing budget for spammers (which is to say, those for whom email is a component of a revenue stream), and a layer of cost friction for everyone else — meaning that you only really reduce the percentage of email that's actually sincere, non-"hustle"-driven communication.

I get less junk mail than junk email. The ratio of legitimate correspondence to junk seems way better as well, or do I have to take the measurement from after the spam filter?

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Post by yonrg »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #9

I run a small transactional email provider ( https://mailpace.com ), our IPs are very rarely added to blocklists- but we are very strict on what we allow through our service, and surprisingly we’ve had no long term delivery issues with any of the big providers. So thanks to the federated/decentralized design of email, is totally possible to be part of the network without any special privileges. We are sending million…

Right. When I changed my vps to another hoster, I totally forgot how much trouble it was to get a good reputation in the beginning.

But it was really not that much work again. Just unfortunate, because one big Mail provider just discarded instead of rejecting my mails. After this was settled, everything works quite nice again. Important to me is keeping spf, dkim, dmarc and now also mts up to date. See mail-checker.com e.g.

I still wonder though, why some big mail providers do not do dkim/dmarc? I happen to realize this when I started to fight spam and gave incoming mails without dkim/dmarc a high spam score.

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Post by Mordisquitos »

cogman10 wrote: post #76
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

> I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

In a similar way for instance that you would recover a lost, stolen, or accidentally destroyed US passport (but presumably cheaper).

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Post by plagiarist »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #134
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #63

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I really don't understand how people think government issues services have more privacy, when in reality it is the exact opposite. It didn't even take NSA leaks to know that government privacy violations are lot more both in terms of quantity and the impact. I would never use a government email if it is tied my real self. At least in my country I know for a fact that data which should be legally private is used by po…

Most people don't have anything to hide from the government.

After observing how quickly Texas turned women's healthcare into criminal activity, I'm inclined to disagree.

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Post by j-bos »

briandear wrote: post #99
j-bos wrote: post #85

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I mean, iirc in the USA the postal service is a consitutionally mandated service. So this could be (legally) done "overnight" simply by defining electronic mail sevice as a form of postal service. Plus that would be an email service subject to the privacy protections of the USPS.

USPS “privacy?” Lol. https://epic.org/postal-service-surveillance-program-targete...

Agreed. Though to be clear, I meant legal right to privacy, not necessarily in practice. The USPS cannot legally open mail without a warrant, whereas any LEO can legally just ask google for access to your emails and google can legally just give it to them.
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