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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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grecy wrote: post #108
skrause wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc

Interesting it makes no mention the federal loans were repaid in full, early, with interest.[1] As apposed to GM & Chrysler who got billions in bailouts that were never repaid. [2] [1] https://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/autos/tesla-loan-repayment/... [2] https://theweek.com/articles/454749/auto-bailout-officially-...

I'm not partial to any side in this debate, but the second table in the linked document is called "LOAN / BAILOUT SUMMAY"

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bayindirh wrote: post #130
nickpp wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today

Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by arpinum »

haeffin wrote: post #138
arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

Why do you think there's a longer interval between inspections for Teslas? The interval for Hauptuntersuchung in Germany (which this article is about) is 2 years (except for the first one which happens after 3 years), regardless of car brand. And a windshield wiper needing replacement wouldn't count as a "significant fault" that they force you to come back for before getting certified.

Inspection interval is the same, but maintenance interval is different.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by nickpp »

seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

> That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

Compared to what? I am a BMW owner who would never recommend this brand to anybody because of its horrible build and software problems.

Thank God for CarPlay!

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Post by fho »

23kj2oij23i3 wrote: post #121

HN, really??? TÜV is a german organization and they will post biased studies to show German cars as better ones. Real studies must come from politically neutral countries that doesn't have their own car production, like Belize, Singapore or Cape Verde.

TÜV should be relatively unbiased, that's literally their job. E.g. they post extensive reports on Total Cost of Ownership. Toyotas have less TCO than most VWs in those reports.

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Post by baz00 »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #43
baz00 wrote: post #36

Own a Dacia. At least when it breaks the parts are cheap :) New wing mirror cost me £25!

I owned almost a dozen Dacia's, but not the Logan. I never got to a car shop for any repairs until I had one with warranty, otherwise I was doing all the repairs on my own, including engine rebuilds and even a chassis swap (brand new car totalled in a crash, bough a new chassis and swapped every single part to it). So, labor was cheap, parts were cheap, cost of ownership was cheap :)

Yeah mine is doing ok (2018 Duster). Hasn’t needed anything major doing to it other than tyres brakes and normal service stuff. Driving it to Iceland this year from UK via Norway so will probably kill it at some point.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by habitue »

23kj2oij23i3 wrote: post #121

HN, really??? TÜV is a german organization and they will post biased studies to show German cars as better ones. Real studies must come from politically neutral countries that doesn't have their own car production, like Belize, Singapore or Cape Verde.

Missed a /s ?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

philjackson wrote: post #137
Dinux wrote: post #32

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs m…

4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many.

> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many

If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.

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Post by lnsru »

hef19898 wrote: post #22
lnsru wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has some recommendations in user manual. I almost bought model y. So I saw, that there is recommendation to check brakes after winter and salty roads or something alike. I also guess, that any other repair shop could do generic check as well. Teslas have brakes, suspensions, brake fluids and many other “normal” parts.

Sure, Tesla has some things in the user manual. A workshop so needs specific task lists in the workshop manual, otherwise the inspection varies by day and person doing it. Because without said workshop manuals, mechanics are left out in the cold with regards to what has to be done. Propably includes a liability risk, you follow approved check lists from the OEM and you are propably save if something happens. You don'…

20k Bosch diagnostic tester has the Tesla service plan: https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/bosch-integrat... If workshop does not have diagnostic equipment… one shouldn’t bring their car from this century there.

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Post by baz00 »

CptMauli wrote: post #103
baz00 wrote: post #36

Own a Dacia. At least when it breaks the parts are cheap :) New wing mirror cost me £25!

And this is exactly why that report is somewhat misleading. On the cheaper end of cars, a lot of those are not maintained regularly, and this is the reason why they fail in the first place. And if you look closely, in most cases the reason for the fail has something to do with lights or brakes or tires. Stuff which does not cost much to fix in a Dacia, but is crazy expensive on the upper end, BMW etc. I had the first…

Exactly this. My Duster cost me 6 years of Mercedes service fees to buy outright.
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