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Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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post #6

I don't disagree that this is good for those involved or affected. However, nothing stops the same from happening to someone tomorrow. The past several administrations have been relying too heavily on executive fiat for the optics. The DEA needs to reschedule it. Anything else is at best a band-aid, if not simple lip service to buy votes.

Wait. The DEA sets the "scheduling" of drugs? I always thought it was Congress and/or the White House.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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For reference, as of January 2022 there were ZERO people in federal custody solely for simple possession of marijuana[0]. As a gesture, this seems fine. But the continued presence of cannabis on Schedule I makes an absolute mockery out of our entire code of laws. [0]: https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/weighing-impa...

But the pardon can allow those with convictions on their record to live a normal life.

Edit: major caveat, all the data harvesting and background check firms generally do not proactively purge their data sets as they’re supposed to. It’s your obligation to follow up with every single one of them individually, and there are a whole lot of them, they operate under the radar, and it’s hard to contact them. Finally it’s impossible to verify they actually did.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

#143

One moral risk we play is does legalizing our recreational drug (eg alcohol/cannibis) increase the harm done to addicts[0]? While I maintain that there's a logical inconsistency to having legal alcohol and illegal cannabis, I'm on the fence if the consistency should be that both are somehow controlled/illegal (though absolutely not criminal). Another thought on the subject is how many small charges were simply becaus…

> Another thought on the subject is how many small charges were simply because the police were fairly sure the defendant was up to some other crime, but were unable to make a court case over it (due to difficulty of evidence etc)? It may be that it was hard to prove the accused was doing X, but the bag of weed in their pocket was undeniable...

That is an excellent argument in favor of legalization, not one against. What you're describing is selective enforcement and prosecution, and the use of it as a tool to arrest and convict someone because they can't be proven to have committed some other crime.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

#144
post #7

This will have virtually zero effect. The president only has the power to pardon people convicted or accused of violating federal law and prosecuted in federal court. The problem is that nearly all people arrested for simple possession of marijuana aren't charged under federal law nor prosecuted in federal court. They are charged under state law that similarly outlaws marijuana possession and prosecuted in state cour…

Believe it or not, I actually know someone who was federally charged for possession of marijuana in the last few years.

He worked as a mover and moved someone onto a military base (in a decriminalized state). He forgot he had his weed in his jacket pocket when they got searched entering the base. Didn't get jail, but did get probation and a record of it.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

#145

Missouri and Ohio have both legalized recreational home cultivation in the last year; the first two red states to do so. Hard to overstate what an achievement that is. Prohibition is more or less over at this point, outside of the deep red south.

Having grown up in Missouri, you could have knocked me over with a feather when that happened. They what?!

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody should ever fix anything unless they can fix everything !

> Nobody should ever fix anything unless they can fix everything! Oh please. "Fix everything " in this context would be legalizing all drugs federally. This fixes nothing except perhaps shifting some public perception in the minds of voters that don't look past the headlines.

Pretty sure the people getting pardoned like it.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty clear what certain people wanted in response to the 70s stemming from the rise of minority groups like the Black Panthers or the American Indian Movement trying to use their newly-enacted rights to fight oppression. Even the NRA was pro gun control when the Black Panthers were using the 2A for open-carrying to protect black Americans. If it was truly about marijuana use, then when usage rates for white an…

> black people would not be 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for possession than white people While on its face true, this isn’t taking into account things like recidivism or multiple charges. That’s to say the average black person has more priors and is more likely to have multiple charges when charged compared to the average white.

I think the thing you said about priors is repeating a talking point about prosecution or sentencing disparities that isn't particularly relevant in the context of an arrest.

I have no idea what you mean about multiple charges.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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It seems weird that it excludes foreign nationals who are no longer resident. Why not just pardon everyone who was convicted?

It’s a concession to not seem weak on illegal immigration. If illegal immigrants were pardoned that would be ammo for the Republicans in election season.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. The War on Drugs was always in contradiction of the spirit of the 21st Amendment, which ended Prohibition. It needs to be formally acknowledged as such, and further as fundamentally unconstitutional, but these kinds of victories take time. At least that so-called "War" is destroying fewer lives now.

How else was the government to continue to systemically hold down minorities in this country post-Civil Rights Act, while simultaneously enriching the Military Industrial Complex by flooding local law enforcement with military equipment paid for by US taxpayers?

Cannabis laws applied to all Americans.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman#Drug_war_quote

This is one of many many sources. I'm not willing to put together a comprehensive list of something that is so well known.

Families often raise a concern about how they never knew member X to be a baddie (eg The Golden State Killer). This is not a compelling refutation. Whether anyone can be wrong or lying about anything, is equally weak.

The man said it. I have no doubt.

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