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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by tharne »

ghc wrote: post #120
tharne wrote: post #84

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If you actually read the article you'll see it has nothing to do with crime. Crime remains at historically low levels: https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statisti... It has everything to do with expensive housing. NYC is becoming wealthier and whiter, with low income and minority residents forced to move out over housing costs.

New York has always had expensive housing. It's not as if that became a problem yesterday. On the other hand, crime varies considerably from decade to decade. I'm getting a good chuckle watching people bend over backwards to downplay the issue of crime in NYC. It often feels like crime is to liberals what climate change is to conservatives, a big problem made worse by their policies that's better off ignored.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by xeromal »

chrisco255 wrote: post #134
xeromal wrote: post #77

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There are a random amount of New Yorkers in my tiny city in N. Georgia. lol. Something is amiss. haha. They seem to fit in well though taking up shooting, four wheelers, and other traditional activities.

Are these "upstate" New Yorkers or from the city?

I posted this on another comment but

"IDK, they sound like "Heyyy, I'm wolkin' here" and they have new york tags and italian surnames. I haven't asked them where specifically they're from. They seem to love it here though. We have 3 families in my neighborhood."

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

tharne wrote: post #107
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity. Or you could reasonably conclude that the policies enacted during COVID are yet another example of how we prioritize the elderly over children in the United States, arguably because children don't vote and the elderly do.…

It wasn't just the elderly. Pretty much anyone over 50 was at higher risk.

I'll point out again, covid killed over 1 million people in the US alone. That doesn't even account for the ~ 10% of infected who got stuck with the lingering effects of long covid.

Yeah, we asked kids to attend school remotely from home. Some didn't have parents that kept them on task, and suffered. The pandemic was hard on everyone, but even in places that didn't lock down, loved ones getting sick and dying takes a toil. I felt like I was rolling the dice every time I visited my grandmother.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by geraldwhen »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #94
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

I have no problem with sacrificing the elderly for the benefit of the kids. A few months of shutdown was reasonable, but shutting schools down for a couple years is too big of a price to pay. Also, my kids were in daycare the whole time outside of Mar to May 2020, and they were spreading all sorts of viruses just like they were before COVID. How the government chose to allow the most prolific spreaders to congregate…

All parents understand. I would end my life in an instant for my kids.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by MrMan »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #95
Racing0461 wrote: post #76

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> erodes my faith in humanity Opposite for me. Maybe people still care about freedom and agency after all.

Or maybe our inability to collectively act and sacrifice to save over a million people is damning. It absolutely gutted my faith that we'll successfully tackle climate change.

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by [deleted] »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53
gandalfgeek wrote: post #36

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The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by op00to »

david38 wrote: post #90
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

A large percentage of the population relies on school for childcare. No childcare = no work = no money. A large percentage of those families didn’t have elderly in the home or visiting. For them, in-person school was critical.

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by esoterica »

New York’s population did not decline by 5%. The population estimates between censuses always undercounts New York relative to the actual census. The last population estimate for NYS before the 2020 census had the state’s population being flat relative to 2010 and it ended up being up more than 800k in the real census. Same thing is happening AGAIN here.

https://policybynumbers.com/a-caution-about-the-use-of-censu...

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by airstrike »

milkshakes wrote: post #140
airstrike wrote: post #124

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Crime (or lack of policing) is not one of the issues affecting NYC these days. It's more like crazy high rent, bad transit, generational disillusion with traditional NY careers like finance and law, the advent of "feasible" remote work and, I wanna say, the effect of social media making it clear you could be somewhere where it's usually warmer, happier, healthier, and more human. Speaking as a former Manhattan reside…

which american city has better transit than new york?

Not every city needs transit the way NY does. Some are walkable, bikeable, or driveable. NY is walkable when the weather allows, but it's also suffocating in some ways

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by tapland »

parineum wrote: post #123
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. If only there was a way we could stop the elderly from contracting covid from their grandkids that didn't involve isolating children from social interaction and learning at the most crucial periods of their development. I have an idea, maybe the people most at…

Well, it would be great if that worked but in general people with this oppinion seemed to be fine to sacrifice (as in let die) anyone with a higher risk rather than contribute with money to allow this isolation.
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