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Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been driving an M3 since 2020 and have put 40k miles on it, mostly over road trips throughout California and the western half of the US. Phantom braking has always been a bit of an issue -- when I first got the car, I just wouldn't use cruise control in heavy traffic, but felt ok using it once out of a city. In the past year or so, it's been so bad I'm scared to use it at all, and I've filed multiple complaints…
Are most those 40k miles in the last year or so? > I just wouldn't use cruise control in heavy traffic Assuming you’re staying in one lane for a bit, AP actually shines in heavy traffic (especially stop and go). > I'll be driving on I-80 through Nevada or Utah and every ~10 minutes the car will slam on its brakes. Two points: 1. The update I spoke of was in spring 2022. AP improved a lot with that update for me. Shad…
The absence of regular cruise control in my Model S Plaid is incredibly frustrating on road trips, particularly since Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (TACC) maxes out at 90 MPH - which is the speed limit on at least one U.S. road. Moreover, if the camera can’t see to its satisfaction, TACC’s maximum speed is even lower.
Camera can’t see ≠ I can’t see perfectly well. It’s dangerous to not have cruise control available at speeds that keep you with the flow of traffic.
Also, autopilot having a maximum speed of 85 MPH makes it essentially unusable on many interstates, where the speed limit is 80 MPH and the flow of traffic is 90 MPH.
So dumb.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#143Seriously, why can't the headline just say "Tesla to issue Autopilot software update for 2M vehicles"? As if the purpose of the headline is just to make people think this is a massive product recall.
Because it is a recall, and your suggested headline would be misleading.
Tesla routinely pushes software updates. This one, however, is different. It’s the result of a multi-year NHTSA investigation, and it’s legally a recall.
The National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act gives NHTSA the authority to require manufacturers to recall vehicles that have safety-related defects. Just because this recall is being addressed through an OTA software update doesn’t make it not a recall.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#144Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”
I think they wrote this _technically true_ but falsely framed headline just because they are so angry with Elon. "Government Regulators Force Tesla to Add New Warning Language to Autopilot Software" would be so much more accurate, but wouldn't have the same negative connotation
Yea thats my take too.. he's stepping on toes and trying to remove the undue influence advertisers and others have on free speech. I hope it works. Twitter should be exporting the first amendment to the rest of the world - prudes and religious sensibilities be damned.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#145Such OTA's by auto makers should be required to be reviewed by a 3rd party. A bad update can kill people. I assume OTAs for planes have a strict process defined or approved by the FAA which needs to be followed. Does the NTSB have such a thing in place or is it just the wild west?
Better yet, how about some dumb cars where you can't be killed by software code... there's no need for all these computers in cars these days. Keep it simple stupid. I think they just want to inflate the prices so much with all these extra useless features to force unequal access to personal transport.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#146Such OTA's by auto makers should be required to be reviewed by a 3rd party. A bad update can kill people. I assume OTAs for planes have a strict process defined or approved by the FAA which needs to be followed. Does the NTSB have such a thing in place or is it just the wild west?
Better yet, how about some dumb cars where you can't be killed by software code... there's no need for all these computers in cars these days. Keep it simple stupid. I think they just want to inflate the prices so much with all these extra useless features to force unequal access to personal transport.
It's all about cost-effective improvement in sellable stats. Getting a little more horsepower; handling a little better; braking a little better. Easier to do with software than some mechanical device.
Conspiracy theories aren't necessary. Just regular competitive market forces will explain it.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#147Seriously, why can't the headline just say "Tesla to issue Autopilot software update for 2M vehicles"? As if the purpose of the headline is just to make people think this is a massive product recall.
Because "they" are pissed at Elon and his antics. He destroyed their propaganda platform and exposed the propaganda pushers. Now he's shitting on advertisers for extorting the platform. A story like this has an effect on stock prices. It's all they can do to try to hurt him since he has so much "fuck you" money.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Better yet, how about some dumb cars where you can't be killed by software code... there's no need for all these computers in cars these days. Keep it simple stupid. I think they just want to inflate the prices so much with all these extra useless features to force unequal access to personal transport.
It's all about cost-effective improvement in sellable stats. Getting a little more horsepower; handling a little better; braking a little better. Easier to do with software than some mechanical device. Conspiracy theories aren't necessary. Just regular competitive market forces will explain it.
It's not a conspiracy theory when cars are so expensive whole classes of people are excluded from the market.
Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Vehicles over Autopilot Software Issue
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I appreciate the clarification here. I read this headline this morning and it made me think they had to "(physically) recall 2M vehicles" as-in take them off the road completely. With a cup of coffee it feels a bit more like "take them into a service center to fix them" but even that is far larger than the truth.
That’s not how recalls usually work anyways. The cars aren’t pulled off the road. You usually get a letter or email then schedule a service. Happened with my Outback a few years ago… some battery drain thing. I took it in a few months after getting the email.
Yeah, like I said. After coffee I realized it wasn't them being pulled off the road like when a drug or food is recalled. I've received those letters, but the wording of the headline made it seem like the whole vehicle was recalled on the surface, and it was what I assumed until I took a second to think about it and realize it was likely a letter in the mail and a service center visit, but in reality it is even less. Just a software patch that is basically invisible to the user.