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Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by bloomingeek »

Freak_NL wrote: post #136
bloomingeek wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still waiting. Maybe you should go and look again in the comic strip you got the reference from?

You posted this four hours after my comment (above) which already provides two links which cast a clear doubt on the legality of mp3caprice.com. A quick web search returns dozens of links to people questioning the legality, and several of people or organisations giving good arguments as to why they are not. If you want more proof, just look at mp3caprice.com itself. Where is the usual legal stuff like the procedure f…

1. Your first site is a bunch of dudes spouting about something they don't like, big deal. Their ideas are not proof of any kind.

2. TorrentFreak is hardly a legitimate news source. A simple read of the Wikipedia page on them is pretty embarrassing.

3. Since mp3caprice is obviously not in the USA, they are not bound by our "legal stuff", which can be said of TorrentFreak also.

Expect no more from me. Have a great holiday!

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by pbronez »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #44
chx wrote: post #15

The beautifully written but not much known Rune Blades Of Celi ebooks no longer can be purchased, as the small publisher is just gone. Of course, the ones I purchased could no longer be downloaded. But want something bigger? Fine. The Wheel Of Time (is that large enough for you?) Complete Edition I bought for over a hundred dollars also can't be donwloaded any more. (And to be more on topic, one of my favorite artist…

> Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them? People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they want to make their creations available. If I don't want to sell you something, then I'd entertain the argument that downloading it anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical. But in your situation, you've already fucking bought it! It's as if you placed a pick-up order at the…

> you've already fucking bought it!

To me, this is the baby that got thrown out with the bathwater in the whole NFT debacle.

Yes, yes just about the entire NFT thing was just the obvious financial scams you can’t pull off in the real economy anymore. But the idea of an independent way to show your receipts? I think that’s got some real value.

So you bought access to video X. Maybe on PlayStation (sorry). Maybe through a streaming service. Why does it matter how you get the bits that constitute video X? Why does it matter what software you use to consume those bits?

Unfortunately the answer is that IP rights treat the medium and the message as different things. You need that, to some extent, to encourage folks to package things well (eg 4k remaster an older movie). But what if we fixed that?

I want to live in a world where it’s obvious that I have a legal right to watch the Infinity Saga Supercut [0] when I have an active Disney+ subscription. And when I have the DVD of all the movies. And when I have a mix of BlueRay, dvd, digital purchases, movie channels, etc.

It should also be obviously ok for me to have the Infinity Saga stored locally, without DRM, and cached on a couple iPads. And if Infinity Saga is uploaded to YouTube, I should get to watch it with reduced or no ads.

[0] https://www.firstshowing.net/2021/the-infinity-saga-a-50-hou...

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by gambiting »

orloffm wrote: post #139
gambiting wrote: post #86

The thing that really worries me and which no one seems to be talking about is the region locking of localisation for streaming content. For context - we're a Polish family living in the UK(like 2 million other Polish people). We have a small child who loves Disney films, and because he is normally exposed to English(and speaks it fluently) I'd like him to at least watch cartoons in Polish. But Disney region locks mo…

I don't pay for Disney+ in Poland because they don't have Russian. Even though it's a native language of 1M+ immigrants and 99% of their content is translated. They probably just don't want my money, I have no other explanation.

Well so from what I understand at least part of it due to Disney selling off the rights to various translations to local companies(so for instance the translation to Lion King in Polish is owned by a local media company, not Disney, even though they obviously own the rights to the film), so they don't necessarily have automatic rights to distribute that translation worldwide without permission.

But on the other hand......it's Disney. They should be able to consolidate, buy those rights back, and distribute all localizations they have globally.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by ryloric »

xethos wrote: post #129
derwiki wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That last line tempts me to fly with an audio cassette player this holiday season

My previous TSA agent was thoroughly thrown by my (blade-removed) shavette while travelling with carry-on only. To the point I called out "Oh! Sorry, I already pulled the blade out." while they were examining it.

Shaving one's beard is an artform that I enjoy as much as a painter enjoys painting. What's the world coming to when there are people who do not know a shavette?

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by pavel_lishin »

pbronez wrote: post #142
pavel_lishin wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them? People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they want to make their creations available. If I don't want to sell you something, then I'd entertain the argument that downloading it anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical. But in your situation, you've already fucking bought it! It's as if you placed a pick-up order at the…

> you've already fucking bought it! To me, this is the baby that got thrown out with the bathwater in the whole NFT debacle. Yes, yes just about the entire NFT thing was just the obvious financial scams you can’t pull off in the real economy anymore. But the idea of an independent way to show your receipts? I think that’s got some real value. So you bought access to video X. Maybe on PlayStation (sorry). Maybe throug…

> Yes, yes just about the entire NFT thing was just the obvious financial scams you can’t pull off in the real economy anymore. But the idea of an independent way to show your receipts? I think that’s got some real value.

Sure. But who enforces that receipt? Who still hosts the data? The people who purchased those things on Playstation have the receipts, there's no confusion about that - it's just that a different agreement made prior to purchase between two other parties means you can't watch that stuff anymore.

Putting the receipts on the blockchain or whatever doesn't solve this problem at all.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by CobaltFire »

DavideNL wrote: post #66

Anyone else here also still using LogitechMediaServer (and iPeng) to stream their own music? Such an old system (written in Perl), but still runs great! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver https://hub.docker.com/r/lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver

Logitech Media Server is very common in the Home Assistant world. I'm in the process of setting a server up now actually, and I've never used it before.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by mattl »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #138
mattl wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Download the MP3 from where? If you want a copy of a well known song, you might find one, but for something else you might struggle to find one. Your best bet is to buy used CDs and rip them yourself.

> Download the MP3 from where? My guy, this has been solved for about 25 years.

Not everything is ripped and waiting to be downloaded…

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by TheFuzzball »

RecycledEle wrote: post #30

The Chinese system of central libraries is better than copyright. Imagine having every book ever written, for free, all your life. Imagine authors and inventors being compensated twice what they are usually paid in the USA, while the corporate lawyers panhandle. I know the lawyers would end up as party higher-ups still screwing us, but I can dream.

It's great until you want to read that book about the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by Freak_NL »

bloomingeek wrote: post #141
Freak_NL wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You posted this four hours after my comment (above) which already provides two links which cast a clear doubt on the legality of mp3caprice.com. A quick web search returns dozens of links to people questioning the legality, and several of people or organisations giving good arguments as to why they are not. If you want more proof, just look at mp3caprice.com itself. Where is the usual legal stuff like the procedure f…

1. Your first site is a bunch of dudes spouting about something they don't like, big deal. Their ideas are not proof of any kind. 2. TorrentFreak is hardly a legitimate news source. A simple read of the Wikipedia page on them is pretty embarrassing. 3. Since mp3caprice is obviously not in the USA, they are not bound by our "legal stuff", which can be said of TorrentFreak also. Expect no more from me. Have a great hol…

Fine:

The International Intellectual Property Alliance's 2016 Special report on Ukraine:

https://iipa.org/files/uploads/2017/12/2016SPEC301UKRAINE.pd...

(page 4)

Or their entry on the EU's Counterfeit and Piracy Watch List:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190617061827/http://trade.ec.e...

(page 19)

> According to the music industry Mp3va.com and Mp3caprice.com are popular unlicensed pay per download websites hosted allegedly in Ukraine, which provide mainly music.

> […]

> These sites claim to have a copyright licence for their business from the Ukrainian collecting society called AVTOR, which reportedly has no mandate to represent foreign rightholders.

I'm sure you'll come up with another rationalization, but your money is definitely not going to the artists (unless perhaps you are listening exclusively to Ukranian bands). Just be honest with yourself: you find mp3caprice.com's service convenient and are willing to pay them for it. Just don't pretend that it is the legal route.

If you actually wish to know if they are legal today (rather than just pretend they are), why not ask your national recording industry association? They'll know.

Re: Forget spaceships; I just want my music

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Post by taylodl »

jerf wrote: post #67
taylodl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remain optimistic that we're in the starting phases of a rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital consumer tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff exactly like this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over "actually doing something people want to pay money for." Your optimism is unfounded. Gen Z thinks it's cool to own an album or two, but they're not building collections. Scrap bookin…

"Everything is ephemeral and by and large they're just fine with that." Today. Young people being fine with that when they are still in flux is not a new thing. A 21-year-old being nostalgic is almost the basis for a comedy sketch more than a serious concern. I'm not yet convinced they've broken any human patterns when they're still fitting fairly comfortably into the existing patterns on that. If anything I'd bet th…

Photo albums and music recordings didn’t even exist until the 20th century. What did we do for tens of thousands of years before that?

Told stories.

And what is TikTok and Instagram at the end of the day? The modern means for telling stories.

The 20th century was an aberration of human history. We don’t need to cling to it.

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