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We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

smusamashah wrote: post #118

When chrome started taking over, all other major browsers (probably even internet explorer) had native RSS read support (read at least). They use to show rss icon in the url bar or some other indictor that this site has RSS available. But Chrome ever since has been throwing raw xml at you when you try to open an rss feed link and never indicates if there is RSS here. I believe this to be the main reason for decline o…

And since then, the other browsers have removed their native RSS/Atom feed support. Firefox and Safari both used to have it and have since removed it. Visiting an RSS feed in Safari now shows you a page that resembles a 404, telling you that Safari no longer supports feeds.

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by kinlan »

hliyan wrote: post #135
kinlan wrote: post #133

Hey all, I lead the team that runs this site. We moved our site to a different infrastructure that doesn't support the automatic generation of RSS feeds. I'm painfully aware that this isn't the best solution right now. I needed our team to hit a deadline for migrating all the content to the new system, and then manage cleanup of known missing functionality after. We are working on making sure this lands asap. Paul

Nice touch in the HN bio! > RSS is alive https://paul.kinlan.me/index.xml

Heh. Very apropos (it's been in there for a while).

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by johannes1234321 »

smusamashah wrote: post #118

When chrome started taking over, all other major browsers (probably even internet explorer) had native RSS read support (read at least). They use to show rss icon in the url bar or some other indictor that this site has RSS available. But Chrome ever since has been throwing raw xml at you when you try to open an rss feed link and never indicates if there is RSS here. I believe this to be the main reason for decline o…

There are three additional reasons:

* Google Reader is often cited as the best RSS Reader but was killed, which reduced amount of users (I never used it, thus can't judge it)

* Many publishers want people to go to their site, thus don't provide full feeds, only headlines and limit it in additional ways.

* People went to Twitter and Facebook as their news aggregators, depending on the social graph to preselect "relevant" news.

Aside I think the pure list of entries only works to a limited degree for news sites: in RSS all articles are equal, but for news many people want to see the "main" news highlighted as on a news page. For some of my feeds on some news days the feed is barely usable when they push a main story combined with different detail articles, making it hard to find the main story (for instance on election day there is a main article for summary and then bunch of articles for different districts, different parties, ... which appear equal while they aren't equal, also the article with first results is already outdated and replaced ...)

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by zlg_codes »

the_snooze wrote: post #129
vishnuharidas wrote: post #68

RSS reader software won't be successful. RSS reader should be built into the browser and every time you open the browser, the RSS feed should be the landing page. Every time you open a new tab, it should show a minimal feed that can be fully expanded.

Firefox used to have this feature, sort of. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/live-bookmarks

This stuff was cash money. Firefox's RSS and Atom support used to be amazing, especially with extensions.

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by rlpb »

oefrha wrote: post #120
d3w4s9 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt how many admins are comfortable with (or allowed to) using a non-approved third-party tool to manage their organization, despite open source and all that

The third party tool is based on the official google-api-python-client. It’s about as non-approved as ad hoc shell scripts.

> It’s about as non-approved as ad hoc shell scripts.

That's not a fair comparison. There's a big difference between your own ad hoc shell script (or command line or whatever) that you fully understand, and downloading and running third party code without any kind of audit.

Meanwhile, the industry keeps talking about "software supply chain".

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by pluc »

rightbyte wrote: post #138
smusamashah wrote: post #118

When chrome started taking over, all other major browsers (probably even internet explorer) had native RSS read support (read at least). They use to show rss icon in the url bar or some other indictor that this site has RSS available. But Chrome ever since has been throwing raw xml at you when you try to open an rss feed link and never indicates if there is RSS here. I believe this to be the main reason for decline o…

RSS is the antithesis to the interest of link aggregators like Google. It is no accident they didn't support it properly.

Does nobody remember that RSS integration with browser (Firefox Live Bookmarks anyone?) was spectacular before Chrome showed up? They easily could have integrated it a hundred different times a hundred different ways. They didn't. They've even shut their own RSS reader. They don't want content to be available to your standards, they want it available to advertisers'.

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by lapcat »

kinlan wrote: post #133

Hey all, I lead the team that runs this site. We moved our site to a different infrastructure that doesn't support the automatic generation of RSS feeds. I'm painfully aware that this isn't the best solution right now. I needed our team to hit a deadline for migrating all the content to the new system, and then manage cleanup of known missing functionality after. We are working on making sure this lands asap. Paul

> We moved our site to a different infrastructure that doesn't support the automatic generation of RSS feeds.

I had been wondering why https://developer.chrome.com/feeds suddenly died.

> I needed our team to hit a deadline

Why?

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by pentagrama »

I noticed the same for Google's site https://web.dev/

The last article pushed to the feed was "Changes to the web.dev infrastructure" few months ago https://web.dev/blog/webdev-migration

The feed still there but with no updates https://web.dev/feed.xml and on the site you can see new articles published.

Is sad that on a infrastructure revamp of a modern site, the RSS feed was left out of the features list (at least for now).

Re: We don't have official RSS feed support for now, but we're working on a solution

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Post by zlg_codes »

xwowsersx wrote: post #66
gmerc wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bingo; you just found the kpi. everything needs a kpi. Facebook did that with emails - slowly remove all the content to turn them into traffic generators for the feed team. Hilariously when they launched workplace, the corporate productive product, they did the same thing, viciously spamming you with emails that have the first 15 characters of the workplace post that triggered them (and 2 more for the notification an…

It probably is about analytics, you're right. But to be fair, maintaining RSS feeds requires some resources, even if nominal. If the usage of RSS is low or declining, the cost of maintaining it might not justify the benefits, leading to a decision to allocate resources elsewhere.

Bro, what cost in maintaining? Maybe if you're building like it's the '90s and doing it by hand.

The static site generator I use (Pelican) can produce templated RSS feeds that are exactly to my liking. If I can use that off-the-shelf stuff for a small blog, then it's trivial to put together a template and plug in database data on relevant events. Could even just run a cronjob that tracks the site daily and forget about it, most people would not care.

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