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Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by gcheong »

rbarooah wrote: post #137
DHowett wrote: post #130

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1) Notice that Google has removed this app too. 2) Carriers (AT&T) are known for disabling app sideloading. 3) Having to root your device presents the basic user with a major technical hurdle, and in some cases, an outright impossibility. If you're going to advocate as an alternative an entire platform you can't guarantee freedom on, for freedom's sake, why advocate it?

I don't think I've ever advocated Android, but I am interested in why it doesn't live up to the promise of being open. When I see comments like the parent's the logic seems to be: "Android isn't properly open, so let's sue Apple."

In my thinking at least Apple (as the market dominator) isn't properly open so let's sue Apple and, assuming the suit is won, the rest will follow.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by rbarooah »

gcheong wrote: post #141
rbarooah wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever advocated Android, but I am interested in why it doesn't live up to the promise of being open. When I see comments like the parent's the logic seems to be: "Android isn't properly open, so let's sue Apple."

In my thinking at least Apple (as the market dominator) isn't properly open so let's sue Apple and, assuming the suit is won, the rest will follow.

Are you agreeing that Android isn't open either?

If so, how would suing Apple (successfully) have any effect other than to cede the market to Google?

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by gcheong »

rbarooah wrote: post #140
jw_ wrote: post #139

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> Why not just buy an android phone? > I don't think I've ever advocated Android

That wasn't advocacy. I really wanted to know why the original commenter was talking about suing Apple, instead of just buying an Android phone.

Because there is a bigger picture here than just "buy a different phone" as mobile computing becomes more ubiquitous. I think that having a single app store on the dominant platform that everyone is forced to go through is akin to having a single browser on the dominant OS. So in the end it's not about suing Apple per se but if a suit against Apple were successful then the rest of the market players would be forced to open up as well.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by Shorel »

glenra wrote: post #115
JBiserkov wrote: post #106

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Exactly - it was a perception issue - in that the signal strength indicator was showing 5 out of 5 bars with signal strength ranging from 60% to 100%. When you covered the antenna with your hand, the signal strength dropped ~40%. So if you were in an area with strong reception, you would get ~60%, which Apple considered so "good enough" that we might as well show Full bars. If you on the other hand were in an area wi…

The iPhone is as much a music player as a phone, so every iPhone comes with a special microphone headset with some external controls in the chord. Many iPhone users (myself included) prefer to talk on the phone via this headset. Using the headset you get better sound quality for both parties, can hear with both ears, can move more freely and be more comfortable and can use the phone to take notes or check your calend…

Heh. I use headphones to listen to music in a cheap Nokia 1616.

Not using headphones is truly a relic of the past.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by naa42 »

Drakim wrote: post #36
michh wrote: post #23

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Until your carrier decides you don't need the ability to install non-market apps and disables the option. Oh, and the phone in question is not yet rooted. This is a matter of time if it isn't already happening. Google can do the open and free dance all it wants but with the carriers standing between you and Google...

If a carrier is being evil I can switch to another carrier though. And if enough people avoid carriers because they lock you in, they will take notice. There is nothing like this for iPhone. You can't go to a different company than Apple to buy your iPhone on different terms.

Well, carriers' policy regarding apps in US held mobile market back for years comparing with Europe. For example, here in Russia once there was enormous number of free and paid J2ME apps (usually paid by sending sms to short number). My friends at university read ebooks on Siemens" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_S55>Siemens S55 (I used Palm). I know of several companies that were started at this market and later moved to Win Mobile/Android/iPhone etc.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by naa42 »

Drakim wrote: post #36
michh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until your carrier decides you don't need the ability to install non-market apps and disables the option. Oh, and the phone in question is not yet rooted. This is a matter of time if it isn't already happening. Google can do the open and free dance all it wants but with the carriers standing between you and Google...

If a carrier is being evil I can switch to another carrier though. And if enough people avoid carriers because they lock you in, they will take notice. There is nothing like this for iPhone. You can't go to a different company than Apple to buy your iPhone on different terms.

Well, carriers' policy regarding apps in US held mobile market back for years comparing with Europe. For example, here in Russia once there was enormous number of free and paid J2ME apps (usually paid by sending sms to short number). My friends at university read ebooks on Siemens" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_S55>Siemens S55 (I used Palm). I know of several companies that were started at this market and later moved to Win Mobile/Android/iPhone etc.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by rbarooah »

gcheong wrote: post #143
rbarooah wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wasn't advocacy. I really wanted to know why the original commenter was talking about suing Apple, instead of just buying an Android phone.

Because there is a bigger picture here than just "buy a different phone" as mobile computing becomes more ubiquitous. I think that having a single app store on the dominant platform that everyone is forced to go through is akin to having a single browser on the dominant OS. So in the end it's not about suing Apple per se but if a suit against Apple were successful then the rest of the market players would be forced t…

I'm not sure I see how a successful suit against Apple would have any such effect.

Google would simply say "we're open already", and become the dominant platform while Apple was reeling from the legal damage.

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by gcheong »

rbarooah wrote: post #142
gcheong wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my thinking at least Apple (as the market dominator) isn't properly open so let's sue Apple and, assuming the suit is won, the rest will follow.

Are you agreeing that Android isn't open either? If so, how would suing Apple (successfully) have any effect other than to cede the market to Google?

Android is more open in the sense that there is more than one market and anyone can build a marketplace for apps. Yes, there are places where Google is not open with Android as well but my main problem is there is only one app store for iDevices. My thinking is that if Apple is forced to open up in terms of allowing more than one channel to sell apps through, or to sell directly, that it won't cede the market to Google but will set a precedent for all players.

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Post by rbarooah »

gcheong wrote: post #148
rbarooah wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you agreeing that Android isn't open either? If so, how would suing Apple (successfully) have any effect other than to cede the market to Google?

Android is more open in the sense that there is more than one market and anyone can build a marketplace for apps. Yes, there are places where Google is not open with Android as well but my main problem is there is only one app store for iDevices. My thinking is that if Apple is forced to open up in terms of allowing more than one channel to sell apps through, or to sell directly, that it won't cede the market to Goog…

It sounds like you are saying that you want Apple to be forced to do what Google has already done. Doesn't this mean the the precedent has already been set but Google?

That leads back to the original question: Why is it so important for Apple to be forced to operate like Android when people are free to just buy an Android phone if they want that kind of environment?

What's wrong with Android in your opinion?

Re: IKamasutra: Apple Hates Brunettes

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Post by gcheong »

rbarooah wrote: post #147
gcheong wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there is a bigger picture here than just "buy a different phone" as mobile computing becomes more ubiquitous. I think that having a single app store on the dominant platform that everyone is forced to go through is akin to having a single browser on the dominant OS. So in the end it's not about suing Apple per se but if a suit against Apple were successful then the rest of the market players would be forced t…

I'm not sure I see how a successful suit against Apple would have any such effect. Google would simply say "we're open already", and become the dominant platform while Apple was reeling from the legal damage.

I think it would be pretty easy for Apple to allow apps to be installed on their devices without having to go through the app store. You can already jailbreak to do this so the capability is there Apple just needs to allow it. Not sure what legal damage you think they would incur except whatever they would pay to fight the suit.
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