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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

joe_the_user wrote: post #127
sgift wrote: post #25

> This won't guarantee answers, however. It does mean the NSA will either need to satisfy Wyden's request, or Congress will need to hold a procedural vote to push through the confirmation. So, the most probable outcome is that this will delay the process for a few weeks at most until congress just pushes it through. At least it shines a bit light on the whole charade. Not that it makes much of a difference for me, si…

I'm entire unfond of the NSA. The existence of secret agencies, especially on a large scale, make a mockery of democracy. At the same, government by congressional hobbling and sabotage also makes a mockery of democracy through agencies not ceasing bad behavior but rather a continuous war between congress and agencies being normalized in a way that makes agencies actually more autonomous from congress. The "Washington…

In a world where democracies have enemies, how do you not have govt secrets?

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by barrysteve »

Dalewyn wrote: post #106
nehal3m wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's the case. The first line of the article reads: Is the NSA buying up Americans' location and browsing data? That's what's blocking instatement of a new director, so no, it won't have any effect on the data collected on foreigners.

Americans are Constitutionally guaranteed a right to privacy in the home, among other rights, and that's what the NSA is hung up on. The NSA spying on foreigners, who enjoy no protections from the Constitution, is part of its intended agenda.

The NSA does not reveal what technology it uses or how they use it. Snowden had to leak that information, for it to come to light.

The public has no way of knowing if the NSA follows the law and the theoretically available technology for the NSA to use, means it's extremely unlikely they have restrained themselves from gazing into your private life at home.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by yterdy »

ericmay wrote: post #114
yterdy wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> yterdy 1 hour ago | parent | next [–] "Property rights" are laughable, especially in America. Stolen or conned resources abound, and all that matters is that someone from the state recognizes your ownership over someone else's (however crooked that circumstance may have come about or been perpetuated). All humans in the world live, have lived, or will live under the exact same circumstances. It’s a good sounding cl…

I'm interested in how you might respond if asked to do so in something other than meaningless platitudes.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by eurebus »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #141
joe_the_user wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm entire unfond of the NSA. The existence of secret agencies, especially on a large scale, make a mockery of democracy. At the same, government by congressional hobbling and sabotage also makes a mockery of democracy through agencies not ceasing bad behavior but rather a continuous war between congress and agencies being normalized in a way that makes agencies actually more autonomous from congress. The "Washington…

In a world where democracies have enemies, how do you not have govt secrets?

Security through obscurity is inferior to security through transparency. Imagine if every interaction with the government; every contract, negotiation, communication was a matter of easily searchable public record.

Try sneaking a little graft in there and get laughed at in public. It'd be great.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by willy_k »

krapp wrote: post #123
willy_k wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? If you mean Trump, I think it’s pretty dishonest or at best ignorant to liken them to each other. He absolutely has his flaws, tons of them, but categorically excluding him from the discussion isn’t justified.

I mean both. I feel like Trump's flaws, crimes and Project 2025 [0,1] should exclude him from discussion. Like, he should be politically radioactive at this point. Set all of that lunacy aside and Trump is just a mainstream Republican. Not that I like Biden, mind you, I just hate him less than Trump. They're both imperialist, capitalist bastards but Biden is at least less fascism-adjacent. The problem is that our fir…

I agree. My initial comment was just saying that people will not want another old president, with the exception of convinced trump voters.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by yterdy »

Dalewyn wrote: post #109
yterdy wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You are (or were) renting your apartment, you never owned it. Those property rights are held by your landlord or otherwise whoever owns that apartment, you were just a tenant. If you want to hold and exercise property rights, you need to own property. Renting a property does not mean you own it. It's as simple as that.

>The mindless appeal to "property rights" seems to absolve you of the responsibility to consider these complexities, I guess.

My argument relies on acknowledging what you've said as the current, horribly dysfunctional reality. You don't need to state it plainly.

What happens to a society when a large subset of the population is forced to subsidize a 100% profit margin on the most expensive basic good most will ever put money towards, and it doesn't even buy them stability or predictability in access to that good? I guess we're going to find out.

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by worik »

I am not a lawyer, let alone a constitutional scholar . But if I understand the fourth ammendment protects you USA from government unreasonable search.

I say it a lot, the state is nolonger the main threat to your freedom. This data gathering, building detailed dossiers on AL, of us all, by faceless business operators is a genuine, immediate threat

It must be stopped

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by raincom »

worik wrote: post #147

I am not a lawyer, let alone a constitutional scholar . But if I understand the fourth ammendment protects you USA from government unreasonable search. I say it a lot, the state is nolonger the main threat to your freedom. This data gathering, building detailed dossiers on AL, of us all, by faceless business operators is a genuine, immediate threat It must be stopped

For every amendment, there are 'loopholes': third-party doctrine [1] is a legally sanctioned loophole around 4A.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by [deleted] »

worik wrote: post #147

I am not a lawyer, let alone a constitutional scholar . But if I understand the fourth ammendment protects you USA from government unreasonable search. I say it a lot, the state is nolonger the main threat to your freedom. This data gathering, building detailed dossiers on AL, of us all, by faceless business operators is a genuine, immediate threat It must be stopped

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Re: No new boss at NSA until it answers questions on buying location, browsing data

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Post by Apocryphon »

Eumenes wrote: post #128
Apocryphon wrote: post #28

Wyden for President.

This guy is wrong about every single thing, except government surveillance/spying. Example, he supported the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S.720) which criminalizes boycott and divestment activism by U.S. citizens against the State of Israel

Wyden for NSA director.
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