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Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by hu3 »

pkilgore wrote: post #113
harimau777 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prettier often makes code written using sequences of .chaining much more difficult to read by forcing it all to the same line. For the same reason, it often makes code written using composition more difficult to read since it won't let you decide when to put a sub-call on its own indented line for clarity.

Disable it! ( https://prettier.io/docs/en/ignore.html ) I do this occasionally, and especially with things like test tables. Linters/formatters are there to help in the common case, not to be some oppressive dogma.

If the fix is to disable prettier for an entire file, you're proving your parent poster point.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by vidarh »

icambron wrote: post #91
dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

I can't speak for the Prettier folks, but as an OSS maintainer, I'm more interested in the problem being solved than everyone using my particular solution . I actually don't benefit at all from you using my code; I did all the work to make the world a place where $PROBLEM has an accessible solution. So if I were passionate about, say, JS code formatting, I would be pretty happy if someone came along and solved that p…

Most of my git repos are things where I'm happy if someone finds something useful, but for several of them I'm very explicit that there are a whole lot of things I will plain refuse to merge not because I think they're not great or useful, but because I don't want my packages to be everything for everyone - I'd rather people took my stuff and built a "competing" solution with different tradeoffs if they have different needs. I'd happily even offer help and suggestions if people want to do that.

I think that a lot of projects would be a lot better if they insisted on not solving everything, and stuck to solving one problem well, and instead of merging every new feature on offer instead help make it easier for others to "compete" with them by e.g. separating out shared functionality or writing about lessons learned...

I'd love to find each and every one of my projects are no longer needed because there's a better option (now, I may be very difficult about what is "better", so that's a tall order), because my list of projects I'd like to pursue is longer than I will stand any chance of getting to in my lifetime, so if some are taken off my plate, awesome...

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by globular-toast »

dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

It sounds like the Prettier test suite is the most valuable part of the project. Perhaps the original project will just become a test suite with everyone using whatever tool is fastest with the best coverage.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by meindnoch »

tills13 wrote: post #50
meindnoch wrote: post #36

"This means that we can now focus on the next important aspect: Performance. Prettier has never been fast per se, but fast enough for most use cases. This has always felt unsatisfying so we wanted to do something about it. What better way than a friendly competition. On November 9th, we put up a $10k bounty for any project written in Rust that would pass 95% of Prettier test suite." I don't see how better performance…

> One could have simply transpiled the existing codebase into Rust, and collect the reward Why didn't you, then?

Because this is the first time I've heard about this contest.

But I'll do it for you, if you put up the 20k USD. Will you?

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by wentin »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #108
shrimpx wrote: post #98

> You may not be aware but thanks to all those donations, we've been able to pay two people $1.5k/month for the past two years to keep shipping. Fisker Cheung and Sosuke Suzuki have done an incredible job! It's incredible how little money some people get paid to build foundational pieces in a multi-trillion dollar industry.

I don't want to disparage prettier, but to call it a foundational piece...

Maybe essential is a better word.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by technion »

vidarh wrote: post #142
icambron wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the Prettier folks, but as an OSS maintainer, I'm more interested in the problem being solved than everyone using my particular solution . I actually don't benefit at all from you using my code; I did all the work to make the world a place where $PROBLEM has an accessible solution. So if I were passionate about, say, JS code formatting, I would be pretty happy if someone came along and solved that p…

Most of my git repos are things where I'm happy if someone finds something useful, but for several of them I'm very explicit that there are a whole lot of things I will plain refuse to merge not because I think they're not great or useful, but because I don't want my packages to be everything for everyone - I'd rather people took my stuff and built a "competing" solution with different tradeoffs if they have differen…

Projects would do well to adopt your views, I believe that always leads to a better product.

Age for example always has someone complaining about a feature they want - the refusal to oblige is exactly why it's a better product than gpg.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by DustinBrett »

dewey wrote: post #8

> One question you are probably wondering is why would the Prettier team fund another project!? In practice, Prettier has been the dominant code formatter for JavaScript and as a result of a lack of competition, there has been little incentive to push on performance and fix various edge cases. I was indeed wondering that but the answer doesn't really answer the question for me. Why not set a bounty to improve Prettie…

Maybe they paid Biome $20k to have it be more "opinionated" with Prettier's opinions.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by demosthanos »

blowski wrote: post #125
icambron wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for the Prettier folks, but as an OSS maintainer, I'm more interested in the problem being solved than everyone using my particular solution . I actually don't benefit at all from you using my code; I did all the work to make the world a place where $PROBLEM has an accessible solution. So if I were passionate about, say, JS code formatting, I would be pretty happy if someone came along and solved that p…

I'd guess a significant proportion of OSS maintainers _are_ in it for some combination of ego-trip, or a misguided belief that it will make them rich. Both outcomes may seem less likely if you're just fixing somebody else's software for free.

What have you seen that would lead you to believe that?

My own experiences with open source suggest that no one would stick around for very long if they were motivated by fame or wealth. Being a FOSS maintainer seems to be a constant exercise in dealing with people whining at you for not fixing their problems for free, not something that brings any significant personal attention and certainly not something that provides a sustainable source of income.

Re: $20k bounty was claimed

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Post by HALtheWise »

sltkr wrote: post #81
varrock wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically for reviewing a pull request in GitHub, wouldn't the "Hide whitespace" setting reduce some of this noise? I could be mistaken, though, but that's how I interpreted that setting. 0: https://github.blog/2011-10-21-github-secrets/

This is often useful, but JavaScript specifically has the annoying property that newlines can be semantically meaningful. For example, if someone changes: function isUserBanned(username) { return db.findUserByName(username)?.banned; } To: function isUserBanned(username) { return db.findUserByName(username)?.banned; } you want to see that diff because the second version always returns undefined. If you ignore whitespa…

How much does prettier formatting help here for practical cases? In particular, if the autoformatter allowed that second example with the indentation on the last line, I'd treat that as an autoformatter bug.
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