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Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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This notion (step 1: be attractive, step 2: don't be unattractive) comes up a lot in male-dominated online spaces. It's a fallacy, and actually a self defeating one since it causes guys to ascribe their failures to something out of their control (looks) instead of what is actually in their control (behavior.) Here's a pretty good deconstruction of the concept IMO: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/understanding-the-hot-…

The article is more a takedown of the strawman "hot guys can't be creepy". It seems obviously true that certain behaviors are hot if they're performed when there is mutual interest and creepy when there isn't any. And being hot has a huge impact on whether or not there is mutual interest. In addition hot people are just given more latitude than ugly people in terms of social faux pas.

> In addition hot people are just given more latitude than ugly people in terms of social faux pas.

No no, that's exactly the point. If an advance is welcome, it's wasn't a faux pas. If it's not welcome, it's a faux pas. This is true regardless of hotness level.

Are hot people more likely to be welcome to a larger set of people? Sure, that's nearly tautological. But the expected behavior is the same: be sensitive to context, read signals, don't violate boundaries. Hot people and ugly people can both do this (or not.)

Hot people are more likely to find people that are into them. But nobody owes or is owed anything regardless of attraction level, and it's every guy's responsibility not to act like a creep.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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post #58
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However, they can come far by not blaming the other sex for their own self-deprecation, self-pity and insecurities.

You just engaged in toxic masculinity, demanding that or disparaging men must be secure and confident is toxic masculinity. It is true that men can fix their problems by becoming secure and confident, but feminists tend to say that men shouldn't have to be secure and confident. So then when women shun insecure self deprecating men, isn't that a problem?

Offering a person a path forward, working on becoming a more whole and complete person, is not toxic masculinity. It applies to every person no matter the gender, any any person continuing to blame everybody else for their own short comings will eventually see themself become excludes by people with the ability to set healthy boundaries. This is basic social dynamics that has nothing to do with genders.

Re: Physical attractiveness and intergenerational social mobility

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How did that work with Donnie and Ivana :/ ?

I think you're engaging in a bit of humor, here, but Trump was born at the top of the socioeconomic ladder. There's nowhere for him to go but down . I don't think this study applies to people like him.

What is Trump's main pathology as it relates to his wealth? There's always this conjecture that he was like Nouveau Riche and wanted so bad to be accepted in line with the Old Rich? Why does he care so much, did Fred beat it into him that they needed to assimilate or why's it such a huge fucking deal to him?
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