Greg Brockman has also left: https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
Started OpenAI in his apartment :') (with a cash infusion of $100 million).
Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#142> Microsoft, which has invested billions in OpenAI, learned that OpenAI was ousting CEO Sam Altman just a minute before the news was shared with the world, according to a person familiar with the situation. Well this probably disproves the theory that it was a power grab by Microsoft. It didn’t make too much sense anyway since they already have access to tech behind GPT and Microsoft doesn’t necessarily need the clou…
Yes I would even say it's the opposite. Through the public actions of Sam Altman in various places like the US congress it has become rather clear that his goals are to device and fear monger to create an environment of regulatory capture where due to misguided laws OpenAI will have an unfair competitive advantage. This might be quite in line with what Microsoft tends to like. But it also can be a risk for MS if regu…
Or maybe he just believes the things he testified to. Would be parsimonious.
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#143Microsoft has a "Cloud + AI" division [1]. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sam Altman at or near the top of that organization come Monday. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_engineering_groups#C...
Why does Microsoft need him? Microsoft has some of the foremost researchers and research divisions in the world and have successfully demonstrated their ability to evolve as a business. Altman's background doesn't seem remotely enough to have such a high-level position at a company like Microsoft.
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…
What’s the point of the subsidiary? Nonprofits can already raise funds by e.g. selling T-Shirts, baked goods, ai services, etc…
To maintain a clear separation between for-profit and non-profit activities. If a non-profit operates in a market with for-profit competitors, tax authorities may start considering it a for-profit organization, making all of its income taxable.
And maybe to allow choosing the right people for the right job. If the non-profit has an ideological purpose, its leadership should probably reflect that. At the same time, the for-profit subsidiary probably works better under professional management.
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#145I don’t believe it. I watched OpenAI DevDay live last week (wasn’t it?). I immediately noticed how Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, was treating (slighting so subtly in my mind) Satya Nadela, the CEO of Microsoft. The last this he said was: “I look forward to building AGI with you” or the like… I’m betting that he insulted Satya at that event or upshowed him, etc. and that’s why he’s kicking rocks…
The board who fired Sam Altman is the board of OpenAI Inc., the nonprofit. Microsoft has no ownership stake in OpenAI Inc.
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#146My guess is Sam’s New AI venture Humane has either taken key tech from OpenAI? Key talent or in some other way trod on something internal. One thing to consider is that by making AI wearable it is a step toward embodiment- which has always been a problem for AI learning as it does not interact with the real world. Getting live video, audio and sensor data from humans moving through space doing things in context will…
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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#147Microsoft has a "Cloud + AI" division [1]. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sam Altman at or near the top of that organization come Monday. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_engineering_groups#C...
lol there’s thousands of Sams out there, he’s not that special, and he’s certainly not indispensable.
I don’t know why so many here are struggling to accept that this guy fucked up, lied to his boss, got caught, and got fired for it, and that’s all there is to it. boards will tolerate many things, but willfully lying to them about anything material is not one of them.
a ceo who won’t tell the board the truth is a ceo who thinks they are more important than the company. some boards don’t care, because they are already bought off with equity, but this board doesn’t get equity…
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#148> according to a person familiar with the situation. Just a rumor. Zero chance someone at MS wasn't already aware.
Usually news orgs don’t put their reputation on the line unless they feel there’s some substance
Bloomberg got away with conjuring The Big Hack story by intentionally mispresenting anecdotes and their reputation didn't take a single dent.
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "coup by MSFT" conspiracy theory made no sense. Microsoft has an insanely good deal with OpenAI: * Exclusive access to resell OpenAI's technology and keep nearly all of that revenue for themselves, both cloud and services * Receive 75% of OpenAI's profits up to $1 trillion All they had to do is not rock the boat and let the golden goose keep laying eggs. A massive disruption like this, so soon after DevDay would…
OpenAI shouldn't even be making a profit, as it's a 501(c)3 charity. The whole umbrella for-profit corp they formed when they became popular should be illegal, and is clearly immoral.
If OpenAI hadn't restructured they wouldn't have gotten any money from Microsoft and they would have either run out of money or the team would have left and started ClosedAI. There's no scenario where they developed GPT-3/4 while staying nonprofit.
Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Illegal to restructure a business?
It's not just "restructuring" a business that's a 501(c)3... to make it a golden goose for MSFT. The whole thing was created to avoid one of Big Tech having a monopoly on AI, and it turns into Big Tech having a monopoly. Perhaps it's all legal but I think it's very understandable to look at it and think it's a travesty.
I thought it was created to prevent specifically Google from having a monopoly on AI. So mission accomplished?