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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by cowl »

binkHN wrote: post #85
aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…

the problem is that many many companies have standardised on windows as desktop. you as an Employee do not really have a choice. At first you still try to use windows at work and linux at home but the little differences in muscle memory become too much so sooner or later you cave and use windows at home too.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by enqk »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

It makes me sad because I think there are some genuinely cool things in the windows ecosystem such as the debugging and dev experience (ETW) and as users we benefit a lot from the backwards compatibility.

Its also cool to have a kind of descendant of VMS being here as an alternative to a unix monoculture

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

I evaluated my choices. Getting rid of all Windows telemetry, cortana, bing etc = 5 minutes with w10privacy. Running Forsa 5 on Mac - in a few years, maybe. Learning all the command line switches of Linux - never in my lifetime. So I chose the shortest path.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by aetherspawn »

jhoechtl wrote: post #98
aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

You didn't mention Linux by intention? Why?

Nothing against Linux but none of our line of business apps officially support it or even recognise that they may support it in the future.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

#145

Post by dilippkumar »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

> Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing?

I purchased a thinkpad without any operating system on it and installed openBSD. I would not recommend this to someone coming from Windows land, but once you’ve been around the linux side for a while, you should come check openBSD out. It’s really really nice.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by endgame »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

I keep saying that Linux is now the best of the three major desktop OSes, and it's not because it's improved that much. We have regressed so far in UI and user abuse.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by hotnfresh »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #42
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

Except for apple music constantly popping up?

Got a touchbar?

I discovered the fingers on my right hand barely brush the bottomed edge of it when I make certain multi-key keystrokes. Right where the play “button” was by default. Took me forever to figure out why Music was opening “randomly”.

I ended up setting the touchbar to static, not per-program customizable, and replacing most of it with a “spacer” element. Fixed the problem.

Luckily they’ve realized they were a bad idea and my newer ones don’t have a touchbar.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

#148

Post by atoav »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #143
aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

I evaluated my choices. Getting rid of all Windows telemetry, cortana, bing etc = 5 minutes with w10privacy. Running Forsa 5 on Mac - in a few years, maybe. Learning all the command line switches of Linux - never in my lifetime. So I chose the shortest path.

A legitimate choice. Howevever whether it is truly a wise one depends a bit on what you are doing.

If what you are doing with a computer involves the need to "know all command line switches", then you will also have to know command line switches on Windows.

A linux for the most part nowadays can be used without command line. When you jave to use it, it would be customization or installation of certain experimental software that isn't in the software center (and that is usually copy paste).

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

#149

Post by dmichulke »

cowl wrote: post #141
binkHN wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…

the problem is that many many companies have standardised on windows as desktop. you as an Employee do not really have a choice. At first you still try to use windows at work and linux at home but the little differences in muscle memory become too much so sooner or later you cave and use windows at home too.

> sooner or later you cave and use windows at home too

No way in hell.

If my employer wants to reduce my productivity (by enforcing Windows), so be it, he'll have to deal with the consequences.

But using Windows is from a data-privacy and security standpoint (ironically, the same reason I'm supposed to use Windows at work) an absolute no-go.

Just look at how the new outlook handles your email credentials.

Absolutely. No. Way.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

#150

Post by makeitdouble »

akmittal wrote: post #41
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

Having moved to mac 4 years ago I can't think of going back to windows. Only downside I find is you need to buy Apple hardware at premium to experience MacOS

Windows is apparently moving to a "we'll be an app on any platform you move to" model, and I kinda think it's the best of both worlds.

I wish macos moved to the same model and it could be just an app on a linux or windows machine. Apple is already shifting their weight to service revenue for growth, this could be a realistic direction to take.

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