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Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by mschuster91 »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #130
mschuster91 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For my feed, a ton of the NSFW subreddits went away, became so low quality that following them was pointless as the mods left or engagement dropped to ridiculous levels, even the OG big tankers. r/gonewild for example has nominal 4.6 million subscribers - but among the default "hot" feed on the first page there's just four posts with > 500 karma, and on the 2nd page there's tons of posts with 80-120 karma. That's ins…

The fact that a banner with the slogan "from the river to the sea" is banned in Germany speaks to the massive self-defeating overreaction by some parts of the West. This sort of thing is only promoting a spiral into a wider war. It should also be noted that it's not a "Hamas slogan" but has a much wider use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

> The fact that a banner with the slogan "from the river to the sea" is banned in Germany speaks to the massive self-defeating overreaction by some parts of the West.

Germany, and Europe in general, has the cultural understanding (as a consequence of 1933-1945) that no, not all speech has to be allowed - particularly not when it calls for or supports terrorism.

And that is precisely the context in where this slogan is currently being used.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by infecto »

elaus wrote: post #137
infecto wrote: post #85

Holy batman the takes in this thread are pretty terrible. You can still get full data dumps, you can still use the free API but they are limited the number per period. As a heavy user of OpenSubtitles this change looks completely reasonable for such a wonderful service.

This is the second commend I read from you where you argue that a full data dump is still available for free, so the change wouldn't change anything about the service being 'open' – but it seems to just be incorrect: the only data dump that I can see is meta-data, arguably of not much use for most of the users.

Yes metadata + url to the page which I have easily parsed out the download link before. Your right, the way I said it was not the best.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by infecto »

bugfix wrote: post #111
infecto wrote: post #85

Holy batman the takes in this thread are pretty terrible. You can still get full data dumps, you can still use the free API but they are limited the number per period. As a heavy user of OpenSubtitles this change looks completely reasonable for such a wonderful service.

The "full data dump" contains only some metadata and the download link for the file. You can't get all the subtitles from the dump.

Well you can, it just takes the extra step of grabbing the download from the page. I have done it before but I dismissively misspoke and should have said full index of subtitles available.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by [deleted] »

infecto wrote: post #85

Holy batman the takes in this thread are pretty terrible. You can still get full data dumps, you can still use the free API but they are limited the number per period. As a heavy user of OpenSubtitles this change looks completely reasonable for such a wonderful service.

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Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

mschuster91 wrote: post #141
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that a banner with the slogan "from the river to the sea" is banned in Germany speaks to the massive self-defeating overreaction by some parts of the West. This sort of thing is only promoting a spiral into a wider war. It should also be noted that it's not a "Hamas slogan" but has a much wider use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

> The fact that a banner with the slogan "from the river to the sea" is banned in Germany speaks to the massive self-defeating overreaction by some parts of the West. Germany, and Europe in general, has the cultural understanding (as a consequence of 1933-1945) that no, not all speech has to be allowed - particularly not when it calls for or supports terrorism. And that is precisely the context in where this slogan i…

Do you mean because of use by the Israeli right wing (Likud) or by Hammas?

"Kill Jews" is clearly evil and should be banned, but banning this phrase ends up smearing ordinary Palestinians who use it to describe an non-violent aspiration, as did the Israelis.

As I said, an over-reaction.

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by starkparker »

crazygringo wrote: post #76
donatj wrote: post #31

Am I wrong that a script is copyrighted and thus charging for it, something they have no right to distribute, opens them to all sorts of potential legal action? It’s a lot easier to look the other way when it’s free. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/fan-made-subtitl... (2017)

It's definitely a tricky fair use case, and obviously will depend on each country. IANAL but I'd say the main argument for it being free use is that subtitles don't take away from movie/TV sales. There's no harm. To the contrary -- fan-made subtitles in languages the studio didn't produce might generate purchases where there were none before. While the main argument against it is that it's part of and enables broader…

There are also wrinkles in the distinctions between subtitles and captions, definitions of accessibility, the application of accessibility to fair use (and related restrictions on distribution), the definition or existence of fair-use exceptions in different jurisdictions, and on and on.

The bottom line is that most of these points haven't been challenged outside of that BREIN case, nor do they cover some of the more valuable uses of authored or revised subtitles, such as subtitling and captioning works that never had them, or in languages that weren't translated, or to correct significant translation errors.

The legal cases of subtitling are especially pertinent now that we have relatively accurate, low-cost, easy to implement realtime speech-to-text. If many devices that play video can now add subtitles, or even captions, locally in real time, how much value is there in paying lawyers to pursue cases to protect the copyright of _just_ the subtitles? Is editing a subtitle script generated by a speech-to-text engine also a copyright violation, and if so, who all is violating the copyright? The person who feeds the video to the engine? The editor, who could be a different person? The distributor of the resulting subtitle file?

Re: Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API

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Post by dang »

petemir wrote: post #16

Actual title: “Saying Goodbye to OpenSubtitles.org API: Embrace the 20% Black Friday Treat”.

We changed to that now. Submitted title was "OpenSubtitles is not open anymore".

Submitters: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

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