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Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study

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Oh right, suicide. But wouldn't at least a portion of those suicides still be suicides without guns?

Not successful ones. The issue with not having an available loaded gun is that you have to plan your death.

Obtaining a gun is planning in the exact same way walking to the top of a roof or grabbing a fist full of pills is planning.

Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study

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> One of the largest outliers is vehicular accidents. Americans drive from an early age and drive a lot of miles. Australia is kind of big and kind of sparse (check map) and has cars; I live in a state 3x larger than Texas and drove 40 km to high school 5 days a week (and back again in the afternoon), and travelled > 1,000 km to reach the nearest university. It's true that USofA citizens have more fatalities per driv…

It is a good question, I don’t have answers without digging in further. It isn’t signage or seatbelts. I don’t want to project when I was young on the situation today. Things were extremely “adventurous” when I was growing up, it is a wonder any of us survived (and some didn’t). With all the helicopter parenting now, at least in the middle to upper-middle class, you might expect that to be reduced but I have no idea.…

Well Texas has more people traveling on roads like Farm to Market roads which very frequently two lanes, no median or other barrier separating two cars traveling in opposing directions, each at 70-80mph. There are often large pickup trucks on these roads too, which doesn't help at all. Australia is 11 times bigger than Texas yet has 86% of the population. Assuming he's in Victoria, which is the state that most closely matches 3x the size of Texas, there would be 2 million people in an area the size of Texas. From what I can see, the drunk driving rate is similar; There's a lot more for drunk people to hit in Texas. Most of their speed limits on the highway are, according to Wikipedia, between 50-70mph.In Texas, 75mph is common between major cities, and even on those aforementioned farm-to-market roads which are everywhere. 80 is posted in 10 counties in west Texas, and we've got an 85mph signed road southeast of Austin. I got passed by a cop going about 100. I was going about 100, to be clear.

Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study

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Not successful ones. The issue with not having an available loaded gun is that you have to plan your death.

Obtaining a gun is planning in the exact same way walking to the top of a roof or grabbing a fist full of pills is planning.

Raking a fistful of pill fail often, with little consequences (unlike a bullet, who might fail but consequences are painful).

Jumping is rare, the only case I know of was someone with bone cancer who suffered a lot (I'm kinda remember her but I was very young when she died). Bullets are a common way to go for people with hunting background. There is a reason why 'revolving credits' were called 'revolver credits' in my area before they were basically outlawed (I'm from the countryside).

Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study

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Obtaining a gun is planning in the exact same way walking to the top of a roof or grabbing a fist full of pills is planning.

Raking a fistful of pill fail often, with little consequences (unlike a bullet, who might fail but consequences are painful). Jumping is rare, the only case I know of was someone with bone cancer who suffered a lot (I'm kinda remember her but I was very young when she died). Bullets are a common way to go for people with hunting background. There is a reason why 'revolving credits' were called 'revolver credits' in m…

People do kill themselves with guns, nobody was debating that...

Re: Life expectancy for men in US falls to 73 – six years less than women, study

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Mildly interesting: If lifetimes were exponentially distributed (they're not, of course), they'd have a well defined mean, but your future life expectancy would never change. If the mean were 90 years old, and you were 102, you could still expect another 90 years. I bring this up because it's sort of the extreme spherical cow version of what you're saying.

Neat fact! I guess that's basically Martingales for life expectancy?

Yeah, I don't think about Martingales a lot, but after reviewing the definition -- this literally is one.

In discrete time it's very simple; you just roll the dice every day, and if they come up snake eyes, Zeus smites you with a lightning bolt.

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