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EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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> We need some laws to swing our way; enshrine our rights to privacy in clear terms so implementing laws like chat control become a non-starter. I think those are already in place - one major point against the previously suggested approach was that it would conflict with a bunch of existing regulation, and so it would never get past the courts even if it was passed. Two convenient examples: - Article 8 of the EU conv…

> Article 8 of the EU convention of human rights Worth noting that this isn't just a regulation; since the Lisbon Treaty it is effectively part of the EU's _constitution_, and can't simply be regulated or legislated away. Though also note that it's the European convention on human rights, not the EU one. It's from the Council of Europe, a separate body, but the Lisbon Treaty effectively enshrined it in EU law. EDIT:…

> but the Lisbon Treaty effectively enshrined it in EU law

Actually no, ECHR rulings and the ECHR itself are considered guiding principles when the ECJ decides related questions but the EU is not technically bound by the ECHR

This is made moot by the fact that the EU doesn't have independent enforcement so all EU law is enforced by the member states and all member states are members of the CoE and the ECHR has already ruled that a member state can't violate the ECHR and justify itself by saying they were following EU law

But the comment above could also be referring to the EU charter of fundamental right which is binding on EU institutions and EU member states (when they're implementing/enforcing EU law), article 8 of the charter is about the protection of personal data so you can read the original comment both ways.

Either they said EU instead of European and were talking about the ECHR's "Right to respect for private and family life, home and correspondence" or they said convention of human rights instead of "charter on fundamental rights" and were referring to the EU's "Protection of personal data"

Fun

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

#142

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The short answer is that we're talking about the EU. Thats a US thing. As far as I can tell looking from the outside the US system is set up so that if you aren't ridiculously wealthy yourself you pretty much need lobbyist money to fund your campaign to get elected.

>As far as I can tell looking from the outside Out of curiosity, how accurately do you feel are the opinions of outsiders with no experience living in your country who comment on your country's state of affairs?

Sometimes their perspectives could be more accurate as they don't have the same biases. Or maybe its better to say understanding and including their perspectives contributes to a more accurate understanding.

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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post #133

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The Parliament can ask the Commission to table a specific law though. And it can dismiss the commission at will. So it doesn't have de-jure legislative powers, but de-facto it does.

> Commission to table a specific law though Just for the folks on the West side of the Pond, pretty much means to drop the bill. "To table" is so weird.

Sorry for the confusion, I'm not a native speaker (although I live in UK). I meant that the parliament can ask the commission to present a specific law for discussion.

Of course the parliament doesn't need to ask the commission to drop a law, it can simply vote against it.

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#144
Contrary to what this heading suggests, nothing has been "decided" here. This article is not only inaccurate, it is falsely misleading.

The Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (LIBE) adopted a "draft Parliament position" [0] and that's that.

This still needs to go through so-called "tri(a?)logue negotiations", held between the EU parliament, commission and council. [1]

Still a tad early for calling this a win!

[0] - https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20231110IP...

[1] - https://netzpolitik.org/2023/ueberwachung-eu-innenausschuss-... (German)

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

#145
> In contrast to the original chat control proposal, the version of the EU Parliament wants that a new EU Child Protection Centre proactively searches publicly accessible parts of the internet for child sexual abuse material with automatic crawling, which can also take place in darknet and would be much more efficient than private surveillance measures by providers. Found abuse material must be reported and taken down by the provider.

This is a good start, if it is sufficiently well-funded and appropriately staffed.

I hope that they crawl much more than the public "clearnet" and "darknet", since a lot of media is shared inside the various walled gardens that make up the internet here in the '20s.

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

#146

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How do you explain big Pharma lobbying to stop reducing drug prices? For example, Democrats who held up drug pricing reforms were the largest beneficiaries of lobbyist money. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

Lobbying is likely easier in a polarised two-party system where you really only have to swing a few people on the edges to deadlock things. The European Parliament has 6 large parties (>50 seats), and they're not particularly cohesive, so cases where the pre-ordained decision can be swayed by getting to this six people would be much rarer.

That is likely true, though there is still extensive lobbying going on in the EU and within EU countries. It is just done in a different way, with different mechanics.

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post #133

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The Parliament can ask the Commission to table a specific law though. And it can dismiss the commission at will. So it doesn't have de-jure legislative powers, but de-facto it does.

> Commission to table a specific law though Just for the folks on the West side of the Pond, pretty much means to drop the bill. "To table" is so weird.

No, "to table" in terms of (EU) parliamentary procedure means to begin the consideration, it's the US that uses "to table" to mean dismiss[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(parliamentary_procedure...

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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post #144

Contrary to what this heading suggests, nothing has been "decided" here. This article is not only inaccurate, it is falsely misleading. The Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (LIBE) adopted a "draft Parliament position" [0] and that's that. This still needs to go through so-called "tri(a?)logue negotiations", held between the EU parliament, commission and council. [1] Still a tad early for calling…

> tri(a?)logue

It’s not a trial-ogue. It’s a tri-logue because it involves three parties.

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Commission to table a specific law though Just for the folks on the West side of the Pond, pretty much means to drop the bill. "To table" is so weird.

No, "to table" in terms of (EU) parliamentary procedure means to begin the consideration, it's the US that uses "to table" to mean dismiss[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(parliamentary_procedure...

As if the English language was not complex enough :D
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