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Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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I have worked at other FAANGs where I see certain immigrant managers only seem to hire other immigrants from the same country...

I've noticed this at companies I've worked at. Either at the team level, org level, or even the company level. I've observed it from White, Chinese and Indians. I think there's just a human tendency of in group bias.

Except only one of these groups gets penalized for the behavior.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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All the FAANG and similar corps have been doing this for decades at this point. Our government works for them. This judgement is a joke designed to save face.

If US government worked for FAANG, you'd have a much more streamlined process... But the fact is, that no one is happy with the immigration process. It's utterly inhumane and expensive.

It really is awful. It also has arbitrary travel restrictions so that you can’t go home in case of sickness, death, weddings in the family for instance.

And to add to that, you don’t know how long it’s going to take. It’s all rate limited in a very opaque fashion, instead of just having a simple to understand but high bar.

In either case, the US as a whole benefits so overwhelmingly from these types of immigrants. It’s really the best and brightest. They just come pre-trained and start paying high taxes immediately.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should someone making 700k be any different than an 80k employee? Nurses make way less than 700k and should probably be the absolute top of the list.

Because if there was actually a shortage of $80k employees the salary would increase. There is no better way to determine where there’s a shortage than the salary.

That is categorically not how salaries work. SWE compensation is high because impact per worker is high, and because adding people doesn’t scale linearly, not because they’re somehow much more in demand.

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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This. If the PERM process at Apple is anything like what I saw at Facebook a couple of years ago, then all these “applicants” are actually people already working at the company on non-immigrant visas whom the company wants to retain. There is no reason to assume that they’re being paid any less than others at Apple. They’re already in the country and have been doing the work for years. Why not give them a path to a g…

> But the notion that I was taking the job of a native-born American was ridiculous because I had been doing the job in London before. This isn’t even wrong. Obviously you displaced a US citizen unless you’re trying to advance the risible position that no US citizen could do what you do.

> Obviously you displaced a US citizen [...]

I'm not sure this is obvious. 1) Apple is a multi-national company, and hires an employee in the UK. 2) This employee relocates to the US

At what point do they displace the US citizen? All Apple jobs are not earmarked for US citizens (+residents, etc...), and they're already doing the job when they move to the US. Unless they're hired abroad for the express purpose of relocating to the US, then it's not "obvious" to me that they've displaced anyone.

Suppose I work in an org with dev teams in multiple countries. If I relocate from one site to another, am I freeing up a slot in the country I leave and taking one in the country I move to?

Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says

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post #127
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. If the PERM process at Apple is anything like what I saw at Facebook a couple of years ago, then all these “applicants” are actually people already working at the company on non-immigrant visas whom the company wants to retain. There is no reason to assume that they’re being paid any less than others at Apple. They’re already in the country and have been doing the work for years. Why not give them a path to a g…

> But the notion that I was taking the job of a native-born American was ridiculous because I had been doing the job in London before. This isn’t even wrong. Obviously you displaced a US citizen unless you’re trying to advance the risible position that no US citizen could do what you do.

Many engineering teams hire the good people they can find.

If one quits, nothing says you'll find another one, and you may keep going with one less person.

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