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Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by victorbjorklund »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #64
audunw wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Want to share my reply to a comment reply here that was deleted, which called this “crazy”: It’s not crazy. It’s a very effective way of balancing the power dynamics between corporations and workers. What’s crazy is not having these rights enshrined in law. Why should the government tell workers how they can or cannot strike? This way of doing it gets you one thing that some Americans dream of: no federal mandated un…

Except immigrants will come to the country and be willing to work for lower wages, they will be OK without taking the union benefits. Unions are a way to enrich current members by creating an exclusive cartel. How do you deal with the fact that there are people willing to work for less?

Yea, that is a problem. In sweden it has kind of resulted in the govt pushing immigrants into welfare and different programs to make unions happy (even if of course it hurts workers in the long run that a huge part of the population doesnt work and just live on welfare).

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by victorbjorklund »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #139
VoxPelli wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have no such race to the bottom here in Sweden

Interesting. Are refugees or illegal immigrants allowed to work? Do they get social services? Would they work if they could?

Only 60% of people age 20-65 who arrived as refugees participate in the labour market (40% doesnt). And of those 60% many work part-time or in government pretend jobs (that are created to hide unemployment).

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by VoxPelli »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #139
VoxPelli wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have no such race to the bottom here in Sweden

Interesting. Are refugees or illegal immigrants allowed to work? Do they get social services? Would they work if they could?

Unions ensure that workers are not pitted against one another

The one race to the bottom is workers from other countries within the European Union as the free market and movement within EU complicates things then.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by VoxPelli »

TraspSE wrote: post #68
art3m wrote: post #61

Tesla built factory in Germany and hired thousands of workers while Volvo build new EX40 car completely in China. Just saying.

Geely Holding Group owns 51% of Volvo Cars, your argument is invalid. (The trucks are manufactured by Volvo AB.)

When I looked at Avanza today it said 82%?

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

AYBABTME wrote: post #87
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #73

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Precisely this. This is a perfect example of how corporate ownership of the political process has usurped the actual function of government responsible to the poorest people, in favor of taking care of corporate interests A great example of how oligarchical power is literally built into our legal infrastructure

It's not a given that "the actual function of government responsible to the poorest people" should be the true purpose and focus of government. I would assume that your discontentment is a result of misalignment between what you think is the government's role and what those who make government, think the government's role should be. Which one of you has a more legitimate claim to the truth?

A refusal to do business over a controversy has a First amendment claim to assembly and petition. No federal law has any business limiting such a claim outside of literal matters of life and death.

I can see an argument that the Commerce clause grants powers to regulate such claims, but unfortunately federal laws in pursuit of a Constitutional power are still subordinate to Constitutional rights (IMO). It would require a Constitutional amendment to so empower a federal law to override a Constitutional right (again, IMO, as I'm writing to your "legitimacy" question posed to the GP).

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94
toomuchtodo wrote: post #93

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Collectivism vs rugged individualism and exceptionalism with a serving of low empathy self interest institutionalized.

Sure. I’m just saying that we can’t throw the brainwashed/corporate corruption card at everything we don’t like.

You're literally referring to an era in which anti-Communist propaganda in the US was at its zenith. And where Capitalism was, in this propaganda, written as the natural enemy of Communism.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by TraspSE »

VoxPelli wrote: post #144
TraspSE wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geely Holding Group owns 51% of Volvo Cars, your argument is invalid. (The trucks are manufactured by Volvo AB.)

When I looked at Avanza today it said 82%?

I stand corrected, must've quoted something very old. Parent argument is still invalid, though.

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by TraspSE »

TraspSE wrote: post #70
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #57

Related from earlier: Workers in Sweden Will Expand Strike Against Tesla https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38190600

There's no mention of this union, or postal services, in that article. (It was published before SEKO put Tesla on notice)

[Parent to parent is edited, but can't edit my comment to it.]

Re: Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries for Tesla

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Post by avgcorrection »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #64
audunw wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Want to share my reply to a comment reply here that was deleted, which called this “crazy”: It’s not crazy. It’s a very effective way of balancing the power dynamics between corporations and workers. What’s crazy is not having these rights enshrined in law. Why should the government tell workers how they can or cannot strike? This way of doing it gets you one thing that some Americans dream of: no federal mandated un…

Except immigrants will come to the country and be willing to work for lower wages, they will be OK without taking the union benefits. Unions are a way to enrich current members by creating an exclusive cartel. How do you deal with the fact that there are people willing to work for less?

Stop throwing the word “cartel” around as if it even means a goddamn thing! A multi-billion dollar command economy (like a corporation) can focus its efforts on the opposite thing, like making sure that wages for their employers are kept low. But a group of employees banding together? Well duh, that’s a cartel, silly. What?

(In addition: unions for employers exist as well.)

Your charge is nakedly hypocritical.

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