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Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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The thing is, you don't want to keep sterilizing 10k dogs a year indefinitely.

If it's a step down from 100k, it's progress! Also, the numbers have been decreasing for a long time already, else Bhutan couldn't conclude that they are done.

They are not done. They claim they sterilized all the dogs. If they stop doing what they're doing even for a year, they'll have to do this again.

Sterilization alone doesn't work.

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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You actually want the sterilized strays to remain so that they put pressure on the resources that would otherwise feed the unsterilized strays. That suppresses the stray population even further. Also, wtf?

You want packs of stray dingo dogs running around your kids and your homes? I see no value in that. Seems more intuitive for the community at large to use a shelter-system...When I was ten or eleven I nearly got mauled by a seventy pound stray dog that was fighting my neighbors dog. Would have made no difference had that thing been vaccinated.

Who funds the shelter system, and where do the dogs end up?

It's hard for a small municipality with a stray problem to justify a facility that is entirely dedicated to the bureaucracy of scheduled death. This is a tale as old as time and the end result is not a happy one.

The term "kill shelter" is much more common than "shelter" because by nature a shelter is temporary housing before euthanization resources are available/confirmed.

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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Even though in certain Buddhist countries animals get slaughtered for food, taking lives of animals is a big thing in Buddhism. There is fundamentally no difference between animal consciousness and human in the buddhist view. But to take it to a human level: you dont see a difference in (chemical) castration of people with mental disability and killing them?

taking lives of animals is a big thing in Buddhism How do explain (South) Korea and Japan that eat plenty of meat and have a Buddhist majority? Sri Lanka also has lots of Buddhists, and also eats lots of meat. This seems like nonsense to me.

Buddhism in Bhutan is different. I think it's the state religion, has monarchy support, it's Vajrayana (very few countries have Vajrayana as their major Buddhism), and religion is less "background noise" in Bhutan than somewhere like Japan, a kind of Buddhist-Shinto mash-up dissolving into atheism.

I think Buddhism in Bhutan likely did influence this course of action.

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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I hate this so much. Humans are a disease when considering only things like this.

What authority does any human have to neuter animals at random? Why? Because they will suffer? The kick them out to the wild if you don't want to see their suffering, let them adapt to there.

Few things disgust me more than cruelty disguised as kindness. You can own an animal, you can kill one but only for food or clothing and other survival needs but no one has the right mutilate animals and leave them to linger on.

The problem is humans now have weapons, pesticide and tech to fight off things animals would have helped is with and this is our response. You don't need sterlisarion and kill shelters, animals either starve to death or adapt and move out to areas where they can find food/prey. If you are worried about the ecosystem in a city, donate to a zoo so you can look at whatever animals you want, humans and their pets decimating a city's ecosystem is a natural outcome of the human-animal ecosystem! Our insistence in regulating ecosystems is what is unnatural. Leave the animals be, get comfortable with strays in your city like some cities already are (istanbul and i hear rome too).

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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It is extremely cruel to neuter an adult male dog and release it. They will have fatigue, lethargy, and weakness that will slowly kill them. They lose all “fight,” energy, and will to live. It is nothing like neutering a dog before it matures.

A family member had my dog neutered without my permission while watching him him for me, and his rapid decline and death were heartbreaking…. Euthanasia is much less cruel.

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

#148
The post title feels grammatically off in a way I'm struggling to articulate. I think it's the difference between "declares " and "declares that ".

Examples of the former:

  - Researchers declare food unhealthy.

  - Invaders declare territory theirs.
I think my problem is that the former is used in contexts that are either subjective or abstract, whereas the latter is just and indication that somebody has said something.

When you declare , you are making an assertion with some implicit authority. When you declare that , you are simply making an announcement.

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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It is extremely cruel to neuter an adult male dog and release it. They will have fatigue, lethargy, and weakness that will slowly kill them. They lose all “fight,” energy, and will to live. It is nothing like neutering a dog before it matures. A family member had my dog neutered without my permission while watching him him for me, and his rapid decline and death were heartbreaking…. Euthanasia is much less cruel.

It's widely known to wait until a dog is fully grown before sterilization nowadays. Getting them neutered or spayed as a puppy tends to lead to more widespread bone problems, especially hip displasia.

Do you have any literature that supports what you are claiming?

Re: Bhutan declares its entire street dog population fully sterilized and vaccinated

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post #147

It is extremely cruel to neuter an adult male dog and release it. They will have fatigue, lethargy, and weakness that will slowly kill them. They lose all “fight,” energy, and will to live. It is nothing like neutering a dog before it matures. A family member had my dog neutered without my permission while watching him him for me, and his rapid decline and death were heartbreaking…. Euthanasia is much less cruel.

It's widely known to wait until a dog is fully grown before sterilization nowadays. Getting them neutered or spayed as a puppy tends to lead to more widespread bone problems, especially hip displasia. Do you have any literature that supports what you are claiming?

No, the vast majority of knowledge out there has never been studied scientifically. If you reject knowledge that isn't "in literature" you are flying blind in life... even scientists can't do that in their own research.

I'm talking from both firsthand experience with dogs, and also as an adult human male that had a medical issue where my testosterone production stopped, which was a fascinating and terrifying firsthand experience into what testosterone actually does... I basically lost all passion and drive, and was both extremely fatigued and indifferent to pretty much everything, exactly the same thing that happened to my dog. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

I have also had several male dogs neutered as puppies that had no major health issues, and plenty of energy and excitement about life into old age.

So why does a sudden drop of testosterone cause fatigue and a whole host of other medical and psychological issues in adult males (human, canine, and presumably all mammals), but women and children have plenty of energy with lower levels? I have looked somewhat into the scientific literature on this, and have not seen any conclusive explanation, but would love to know.

There is plenty of research into the symptoms of both humans and dogs about the symptoms of hypoandrogenism/hypogonadism. I would be very surprised if neutering was somehow less harmful (especially since having seen firsthand that it is not).

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