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Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by nonrandomstring »

edgyquant wrote: post #25
Daz1 wrote: post #6

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I love how these bad faith questions aren’t even tolerated here anymore. You know exactly why people aren’t comfortable with this, and if you weren’t a quick Google would enlighten you. But you 100% are.

It's most interesting which HN comment threads garner high quality analytical comments and which descend into chaotic bickering and hair-splitting.

This is a particularly poor one.

Someone mentioned "poisoning the well" earlier. I sense a lot of that and like you I am struck by the prevalence of whataboutism and bad faith questions in this thread, particularly low quality leading questions relentlessly sealioning in the credulous tone of a five year old child ;

"But mummy, why is it bad to stab someone in the face with a garden fork?"

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by littlestymaar »

xp84 wrote: post #120
neontomo wrote: post #98

Context from the Norwegian article: Meta promised to ask users whether they want to opt-in, but they never did, so now they are banning these behaviours until they have come up with a better way of handling this. Furthermore, Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

> Also, if Facebook's users were all paying for it (and all its competitors), there would be no advertising on it,

Ah yes, much like how cable TV has no ads on it, right? Or newspapers. Or how Microsoft Windows has no ads on it because you paid for the OS? Or like how smart TVs aren't spying on you because you bought them…

If there's money to be made by spying and putting ads, it will be done, no matter if you pay for it or not.

And that's the reason why it is probably illegal: if you accept the cookies, they track you, if you refuse cookies and pay, you have to agree to their terms and conditions which allow them to track you as well. Head they win, tail you lose.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by paganel »

radium3d wrote: post #72

I don't think it's the ads people need to be worried about. It's pages, groups and their "users" posts manipulating people. News flash: a majority aren't even real human users.

> "users" posts manipulating people.

Are we talking about MSM here? Because those doing it are real human users, some of them quite famous.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by m463 »

Daz1 wrote: post #6

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that is not what ads are.

Ads are surveillance of you to find out your age, income, sex, address, phone, behavioral characteristics, etc.

Those characteristics are then sold to advertisers who bid to present ads to you.

In other words, if you like lego, you will not see lego ads.

Instead you will see water filter ads because they won the bid to serve someone with your characteristics, income, etc the advertisement.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by pests »

stubish wrote: post #125
xp84 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

What you are asking for is the ability to sell your right to privacy. Laws generally don't allow you to sell or otherwise relinquish your rights, eg. selling your vote or selling yourself into slavery or accepting licenses in conflict with rights granted by local consumer laws. Some things we don't want assigned a value that can be traded. The EU has decided that the right to privacy includes not being tracked on the…

But as you say, they aren't asking you to give up your rights (because of the 'or pay money' clause). You can just stop using it. If you want to use it and not give up rights, pay money. What is wrong with that?

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by ako »

littlestymaar wrote: post #142
xp84 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal. I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the ap…

> Also, if Facebook's users were all paying for it (and all its competitors), there would be no advertising on it, Ah yes, much like how cable TV has no ads on it, right? Or newspapers. Or how Microsoft Windows has no ads on it because you paid for the OS? Or like how smart TVs aren't spying on you because you bought them… If there's money to be made by spying and putting ads, it will be done, no matter if you pay fo…

With cable you’re paying the cable company, not the content provides. For that you’d have to pay the stations as well. Similar to Netflix, pay for your network, and pay the content provider.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by az09mugen »

radium3d wrote: post #72

I don't think it's the ads people need to be worried about. It's pages, groups and their "users" posts manipulating people. News flash: a majority aren't even real human users.

I wonder if one day there will be a majority of bots liking AI-generated content, so it will be a closed loop.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by shiroiuma »

Jensson wrote: post #122
shiroiuma wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just that; the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses, even if they're demonstrably harming society. They really believe "The Invisible Hand" will make everything better in the end.

> the US just doesn't believe much in regulating businesses The US has tons of strange regulations like banning car manufacturers from selling cars themselves without a middleman or dictating what kind of showerheads are allowed to be sold.

The US is nothing if not inconsistent. The car-selling thing is due to state laws, not federal, and really the result of corruption: the dealerships are politically connected. The showerhead thing is due to environmentalism, so the US does sometimes make regulations with that impetus. There's no environmental aspect to banning targeted advertisements; it's purely social.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by tomschwiha »

Daz1 wrote: post #6

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For me most of the time relevant ads are not relevant. If I visited a website about dogfood because I talked about it with friends I get constant ads about birdfood. But I don't even have a bird. But I also don't want to so transparent to share that information with someone random.
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