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I have to say I don't understand Elon's (Tesla's) reaction here. Surely he was advised on Swedish and EU laws and how things work over here before he decided to do business in Sweden?
> company claims that it doesn't sign collective bargaining agreements anywhere in the world LoL, yeah good luck with that. From my experiences working for American companies, this is typical behaviour where an American company doesn't (yet) realise the things that got them ahead in the U.S.A. won't necessarily work — or even be legal or accepted — in Europe. They'll learn ;)
Elon Musk famous for sacking entire department or even close down factory PERMANENTLY. Europeans will find out their current unemployment will be doubling in coming months with no money to pay for American expensive oil and gas replacement to Russian. Swede will learn they arent that special and even influential. Their train schedules really under perform if you ever experienced the Japanese one.
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Maybe Im dense, but I miss the point of what you trying to say. Everything seems to indicate that strikebreakers are legal in Sweden. >So even if strikebreaking isn't illegal in either country, the legal framework which protects strikebreaking is stronger in the US, and the legally allowed consequences of strikebreaking are weaker. These is part of the legal framework which a US employer should learn and understand w…
The point is there is a big difference between "legal consequences" and the "legally allowed consequences" I described. I think sympathy strikes are legal in Sweden. That makes them a legally allowed consequence. If I understand the Denmark McDonald's case correctly, then the Swedish equivalent of the Teamsters could decide to not deliver parts to a Tesla repair shop. > Everything seems to indicate that strikebreaker…
Furthermore, much of what you said is not true with respect to the US.
Striking workers can almost never be fired in the USA [1]. The only "difference" is you dont have to keep on the strike breakers.
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...
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Elon Musk famous for sacking entire department or even close down factory PERMANENTLY. Europeans will find out their current unemployment will be doubling in coming months with no money to pay for American expensive oil and gas replacement to Russian. Swede will learn they arent that special and even influential. Their train schedules really under perform if you ever experienced the Japanese one.
You're suggesting that Naughty Old Mr Car flouncing out of Sweden in a huff would double Europe's unemployment? How's that work?
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The point is there is a big difference between "legal consequences" and the "legally allowed consequences" I described. I think sympathy strikes are legal in Sweden. That makes them a legally allowed consequence. If I understand the Denmark McDonald's case correctly, then the Swedish equivalent of the Teamsters could decide to not deliver parts to a Tesla repair shop. > Everything seems to indicate that strikebreaker…
I still dont see where you think Tesla has made a misinformed calculation, error, or mistake. Are you claiming the managers at Tesla dont know the cost of hiring a strike breaker? Furthermore, much of what you said is not true with respect to the US. Striking workers can almost never be fired in the USA [1]. The only "difference" is you dont have to keep on the strike breakers. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-…
The workers get 100% payed while striking, and the unions coffers are deep, they can wait.
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I still dont see where you think Tesla has made a misinformed calculation, error, or mistake. Are you claiming the managers at Tesla dont know the cost of hiring a strike breaker? Furthermore, much of what you said is not true with respect to the US. Striking workers can almost never be fired in the USA [1]. The only "difference" is you dont have to keep on the strike breakers. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-…
Tesla can only hire strike breakers on their own premises. Sympathy strikes will hit their supplylines latest next week and then there will be no more new teslas, no more spare parts. The union is expecting Tesla to pull out of Sweden before signing a contract. The workers get 100% payed while striking, and the unions coffers are deep, they can wait.
To be clear, the main thing I am objecting to in these posts is the sentiment that posters have a superior knowledge, legal or cultrial, that tesla does not.
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The point is there is a big difference between "legal consequences" and the "legally allowed consequences" I described. I think sympathy strikes are legal in Sweden. That makes them a legally allowed consequence. If I understand the Denmark McDonald's case correctly, then the Swedish equivalent of the Teamsters could decide to not deliver parts to a Tesla repair shop. > Everything seems to indicate that strikebreaker…
I still dont see where you think Tesla has made a misinformed calculation, error, or mistake. Are you claiming the managers at Tesla dont know the cost of hiring a strike breaker? Furthermore, much of what you said is not true with respect to the US. Striking workers can almost never be fired in the USA [1]. The only "difference" is you dont have to keep on the strike breakers. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-…
That means it make take years until you have the job back, depending on turnover and the number of replacements.
How is that not the same as having your job replaced by a strikebreaker?
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Tesla can only hire strike breakers on their own premises. Sympathy strikes will hit their supplylines latest next week and then there will be no more new teslas, no more spare parts. The union is expecting Tesla to pull out of Sweden before signing a contract. The workers get 100% payed while striking, and the unions coffers are deep, they can wait.
and Tesla was totally unaware of all this? To be clear, the main thing I am objecting to in these posts is the sentiment that posters have a superior knowledge, legal or cultrial, that tesla does not.
"I have to say I don't understand Elon's (Tesla's) reaction here. Surely he was advised on Swedish and EU laws and how things work over here before he decided to do business in Sweden?"
I read this as an statement of surprise or astonishment based in the belief that Tesla should know more about labor relations in the EU, but for some reason does not appear so.
My comments were not concerning Tesla. They were to clarify why the law is relevant, in response to your comment "I was thrown off by you bringing up the law, as it were relevant" at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38036925 .
I suppose Swedish Tesla workers have the same beneficial stock buying agreement that other countries have. No more of that if they are unionized.