Like too much the idea.
If they manage to do get an IBM mainframe level after-sales support, they will rock.
Does someone know how much the lowest level box costs?
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
So effectively I’m at the mercy of Oxide, at least as long as their system does not become some kind of standard. Not in theory maybe, but in practice. Because as a customer, I would probably also need to put in immense effort to understand and maintain that software myself.
Their firmware is open source. You can pay whoever you want to maintain it. You can't do that with Dell, HP, Supermicro, and the unknowable rabbit hole of ODMs and sub-suppliers and contractors who actually make the hardware and firmware for these companies. Until you've dealt with a malfunctioning Dell or HP server and have to live with being told "we don't know why it acts that way, we'll try to get the ODM to repr…
If I have server under maintenance with Dell or HP, they would replace the server or component for me in such a case.
Which would probably be a lot faster than trying to find someone who could maintain some non-standard firmware (as good as it might be).
Even if I had to replace the server on my own cost it would probably still be cheaper. And it would be easy to replace because it's commodity hardware, that was kind of my point.
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#143They seem to be cagey about their networking. Nothing besides vague "100GbE to the switch". Is this some home-brew asic or fpga? What offloads does it support? Is the driver upstream?
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
With rack- and multi-rack-level management of all your hardware infrastructure (including networking and storage, along with VMs) using an API: * https://docs.oxide.computer/api/guides/responses
Yeah including networking and storage together with virtualization is what makes hyperconverged infrastructure hyperconverged. Otherwise it's usually just called converged infrastructure. It's nice, it's just nothing new.
oh, you tease.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly, man! That's the way it should be done. It's not a company's business to decide how much your life should cost. It's its business to reward you for the value you provide, and that value is not tethered to your location, so neither should be your salary!
This really is one of these things where every employee in a cheap cost of living area will say "Exactly, man!" and people in an expensive area will see it differently because it might cap them lower than what they could get. I always find that a very naive point of view, of course I would want to earn a US tech salary while living somewhere in the country side, who wouldn't. But I'm also aware that this is not how t…
Is that why you went to Berlin? How does Berlin compare to SV for cost of living?
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
This really is one of these things where every employee in a cheap cost of living area will say "Exactly, man!" and people in an expensive area will see it differently because it might cap them lower than what they could get. I always find that a very naive point of view, of course I would want to earn a US tech salary while living somewhere in the country side, who wouldn't. But I'm also aware that this is not how t…
> This really is one of these things where every employee in a cheap cost of living area will say "Exactly, man!" and people in an expensive area will see it differently because it might cap them lower than what they could get. Well the co-founders live in the Silicon Valley area, with their physical HQ being in Emeryville: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emeryville,_California
If you owned a home in the Bay Area prior to 2020 and refinanced down to a sub 3% mortgage 200k is plenty. If you’re trying to buy now on that salary it will be challenging.
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#147I know price will vary wildly based on how many you’re buying, but does anyone have the roughest ballpark for how much it would cost to buy one (1), or like two?
They mentioned it really quickly in their Oxide an Friends podcast but, IIRC, prices start at $500k. Some of the audience asked if they were going to do a smaller configuration like half or quarter rack. And they said they were looking into it but weren't sure the of the business case.
So the real question is whether 1 Oxide rack can outcompete 2 or 3 racks of normal commodity hardware.
Or provide enough white glove after-sales support and written guarantees to peel away low end mainframe customers at a fraction of the price.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Weird criticism, for anything involving CapEx it will always require an RFQ and quote. You're not buying a bag of peanuts and they will likely price it differently if you're buying 1x or 500x.
Why though? Quantity based pricing is not hard to express in a table. What is so different about CapEx and a bag of peanuts that defies even providing an approximate range? Number of zeroes, no? I don’t like it, but it is the norm sadly. It’s just a signal for “it’s expensive and if you even care about the number we don’t want to talk with you”.
> Why though? Quantity based pricing is not hard to express in a table.
It is not, but when it's written publicly you cannot send different prices to different customers, depending on who the customer is
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
You = the enterprise The definition of cloud is “out there in the sky - not here”
Actually, the definition of cloud is "a visible mass of particles of condensed vapor (such as water or ice) suspended in the atmosphere of a planet (such as the earth) or moon". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cloud
So basically hot air. In which case I guess Oxide has a point ;)
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll second that, they should make it clear what they're selling and what they have to offer. Every company should have this in their main/landing page... If I can't understand what you're selling/offering in 30sec, then I'm not interested :-) If you take some time and read around their site you'll see that they're offering a ready to run (turnkey) server. They have everything packed together, they've integrated ever…
Literally on the main page there is a picture of a big computer. And then it says: Oxide Cloud Computer No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud. Contact Sales How much easier can they make it? They clearly want to sell computers.
Yes, but... what is a "Cloud Computer"? Is it a "computer in the cloud", like e.g. an AWS EC2 instance? Or is it a fancy name for a good old fashioned server rack (on which you will probably want to run your own cloud, because everybody's doing that nowadays, hence the name), like in this case? And if it's a server rack, how come you don't need any cables? And what do you do with this "cloud computer"? Do they host it in their data center or deliver it to you? So there is some potential for confusion - nothing that can't be mostly cleared up by reading a bit further, but still...