I have a huge respect for Navalny. They tried to murder him and after spending time in a German hospital he decided to go back knowing that they'll imprison him or try to kill him again.
I think it was incredibly indicative of his foolishness.
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My thoughts are that the press (and moreso twitter) has a very skewed way to report stuff. It is designed for entertainment value and not for rigor, and also to push a narrative. Having two sets if inputs regarding somewhat similar events allows you to do a reality check. For example, you can compare civilian infrastructure damage footage from Gaza and that of Ukraine and arrive to some conclusions.
How does this lead you to your original claim of: > The recent Israeli-Palestine conflict has shown that Russo-Ukrainian war is actually fought very carefully from both sides.
Because the Gaza footage is quite a mess. You will have hard times matching it with Ukraine footage. Sometimes, whole neighbourhoods of civilian high rises were levelled.
Meanwhile, obviously the carnage of civilians during the initial Gaza raid is also something that you will have hard time matching with anything happening in Ukraine.
Perhaps you will derive something different from these pictures, I just suggest doing that instead of going along with narratives.
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Yeah, I do wonder as well, how come Trump can't hire better lawyers? Wait, I'm getting a weird brain wave. Could it be because any lawyer representing Trump will get targetted, disbarred and destroyed? No, that can't be it, it must be something else. Also, what Man? I have no idea who that guy is, it's enough that he's a Trump hater, you don't need any conspiracy, jsut the one guy who doesn't like Trump. You don't li…
> Wait, I'm getting a weird brain wave. Could it be because any lawyer representing Trump will get targetted, disbarred and destroyed? "Any" is false, therefore the question yields false. I'd suggest watching the video again, but I assume that was too long for you — if so, (1) I recommend the "speed" button as this guy is quite watchable at double speed, and (2) it's a tier list and it starts that list with the most…
Sure. You'll find plenty of evidence for Navalny's lawyers as well, funny how that works. You still haven't told me how you're going to tell them apart. I mean, I know: You start with the conclusion and work back from there, so that's easy and clean.
Also, have you heard of selective enforcement? Does it not worry you at all to see the one side consistently getting prosecuted and persecuted and the other one not at all? Do you think you're always going to be on the right side?
I don't know man, you are watching the government of the USA going after its main political opponent, no holds barred, even after his lawyers (which of course is pour encourager les autres don't play coy), and you're taking it very well, like "Yes, this is what democracy feels like, love it". And the sight of literally Putin doing literally the same thing doesn't trigger the least amount of thought in your mind. It's all going great, yes. Beautiful.
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> Wait, I'm getting a weird brain wave. Could it be because any lawyer representing Trump will get targetted, disbarred and destroyed? "Any" is false, therefore the question yields false. I'd suggest watching the video again, but I assume that was too long for you — if so, (1) I recommend the "speed" button as this guy is quite watchable at double speed, and (2) it's a tier list and it starts that list with the most…
Sure. You'll find plenty of evidence for Navalny's lawyers as well, funny how that works. You still haven't told me how you're going to tell them apart. I mean, I know: You start with the conclusion and work back from there, so that's easy and clean. Also, have you heard of selective enforcement? Does it not worry you at all to see the one side consistently getting prosecuted and persecuted and the other one not at a…
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> The only real step 1 — unless you want to get into a philosophical argument about the foundation of knowledge and the Münchhausen trilemma — is "get a law degree", which for most people is much too hard.
Go and do the thing. I'm serious, if you want to make this a real actual argument and not just two random nerds locking horns on the internet (which I'm not interested in so you'd have to find a real actual lawyer to spar with after getting that degree), that's the only way — there is no other.
> Also, have you heard of selective enforcement? Does it not worry you at all to see the one side consistently getting prosecuted and persecuted and the other one not at all? Do you think you're always going to be on the right side?
You could've figured that one out from my own comment a few hours earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37954311
> pour encourager les autres
desole, je ne pe parle francais (seriously, I try to say that in French and my French coworker is all "quoi?" because my French is that bad)
> And the sight of literally Putin doing literally the same thing doesn't trigger the least amount of thought in your mind.
On the contrary, for every punishment in the systems in which I exist, I often find myself thinking back to an old movie quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk
(This is particularly poignant to me, as a British person, because of the context of the Human Rights Act 1998 and its use in polemics during half the discussion about Brexit even though technically it's separate: I do not trust any power that says "trust me").
You however (unless you want to deny this now?) give every indication of sincerely appearing to believe that anyone on Team Trump can only be arrested falsely, not honestly.
As for Navalny’s lawyers? If they're guilty or not? You may not have seen the final edit to the comment where I made a D&D comparison — I don't know if they're guilty of "real" crimes, nor if they're even guilty of "laws passed by Putin to lock up troublemakers", but those two states are almost indistinguishable without being a constitutional law expert, and I've been (attempting to be) clear on the difficulty there from your first direct response to me. (Discuss: Is {Putin|Trump} "lawful evil" or "chaotic"?)
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While formally you are correct and Russian law makes distinction between terrorism and extremism, it is wrong to equate it to the Western legal framework. Yes, at the very abstract level both Russia and Western countries have a legal system based on some formal procedure. That’s also where the commonality ends. The laws used to incarcerate Navalny and condemn his organization were either unconstitutional or applied i…
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#146I have a huge respect for Navalny. They tried to murder him and after spending time in a German hospital he decided to go back knowing that they'll imprison him or try to kill him again.
>knowing I think the risk was huge (personally I thought 50-70% at the time), but not 99% or something. Also (in my opinion) people don't take into account that alternative was irrelevance in exile, just look at what happened with Kasparov's popularity inside Russia, and he was a prominent opposition activist in 2011-2012.
If you're going to infer from previous instances revolutionary Russian figures, why not look at Lenin? Or Trotsky?
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While formally you are correct and Russian law makes distinction between terrorism and extremism, it is wrong to equate it to the Western legal framework. Yes, at the very abstract level both Russia and Western countries have a legal system based on some formal procedure. That’s also where the commonality ends. The laws used to incarcerate Navalny and condemn his organization were either unconstitutional or applied i…
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#148In the beginning of attack on Ukraine I used to think Putin's days are numbered and finally this will be the end of him. But then I realised how it turned around for Bashar and how he has bounced back and is almost back to the path of as things were. Compared to him Putin is maybe a hundred times or more well placed to stay on.
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> Still, people tend to value their life higher than their relevance That's exactly what sets rare individuals like Navalny apart: that what they believe in, what they stand for, weighs heavier than their personal well-being.
Yeah, he wants the same Russian empire as Putin, but with less corruption.
> he wants the same Russian empire as Putin, but with less corruption.
Exactly. I don't understand fascination of some westerners towards Navalny. He used to attend nazi rallies (literal sieg-heiling nazis, not "you are slightly right of Bernie"), then assumed veneer of political respectability without ever formally denouncing his previous talking points and started campaigning with the main premise of basically "I'll be better and less corrupt Czar of Russian empire". There is nothing liberal or democratic about this guy's political views.