I know it's not a apples to apples comparison, but the same parent company nonetheless. Not a good look after closing the deal on 69 billion for activision blizzard. Couldn't have set aside one of those billions to keep people employed a while longer MSFT?
The parent company wants to know the viability of each business unit independently, one subsidizing another would obfuscate what's working and what isn't.
And secondively, teams/orgs get bloated and keeping them larger than they should be hinders their progress.
Damn. The market is already so tough for software engineers right now and the supply of engineers is going to increase again. I don't see how wages can drop lower than they are now. I think some engineers may have to consider a career in construction, plumbing, retail or other. Software development is just not worth the hassle and strain. Not to mention that it has become laborious, repetitive and inefficient without…
Wait you guys actually contemplate your "status"? This seems overly dramatic and does not match my experience at all. Software development is a very young profession and will continue to change.
I genuinely don't understand that you can, with a straight face, say that juniors with copilot can do the same work as seniors. Typing up the code is like what, 25% of time spent - during a good week!
> The core idea behind a union makes sense - it's legalised extortion. How is it extortion, legal or otherwise?
The extorty part is when the company is not allowed to hire other people to replace the striking workers. Whereas the employee is free to go to work for some other company at any time. The rules are not in balance.
There are very few cases where the company is not allowed to hire other people. They may have a hard time, but it's generally allowed.
> Whereas the employee is free to go to work for some other company at any time.
And generally the employer is free to fire people at any time. And to forbid employees from working elsewhere.
Lmao they wont allow remote work in the west but are fine with remote work elsewhere.
Who says the overseas positions are going to be remote?
Overseas means remote from the main office. So regardless if they will be forced to be on site at their overseas office they will still be remote compared to their us office.
And guess what - those bros in the us that wanted to be onsite to be creative will now have to communicate clearly with their remote colleagues in india whether they like it or not. But the idiots took away the rights of those in the us while those above them gave zero shits about them anyway and moved lots of jobs abroad.
The winers here? Indians. Good luck and enjoy scuttlebutt, if still employed, suckers.
Companies like Google & Salesforce paid out 6-8 months of severance (more depending on tenure) and accelerated remaining stock vests, so not all that different.
First waves of layoffs are famously more generous with their severance agreements than the following ones. They are already not as generous as they could be (for example, Google on January 20th boasted about accelerated vesting for the notice period of US employees that would be laid off... But employees in other regions didn't get the same terms) ...and they are going to get worse and worse, with future layoffs
>employees in other regions didn't get the same terms
Yep, that's what happens when you have labor laws that dictate the terms. It cuts both ways.
Damn. The market is already so tough for software engineers right now and the supply of engineers is going to increase again. I don't see how wages can drop lower than they are now. I think some engineers may have to consider a career in construction, plumbing, retail or other. Software development is just not worth the hassle and strain. Not to mention that it has become laborious, repetitive and inefficient without…
Wait you guys actually contemplate your "status"? This seems overly dramatic and does not match my experience at all. Software development is a very young profession and will continue to change. I genuinely don't understand that you can, with a straight face, say that juniors with copilot can do the same work as seniors. Typing up the code is like what, 25% of time spent - during a good week!
That's true. It may change back to be good again. It's what we make it. Our political systems could change as well and make us more relevant again. Like if private currencies were allowed and fully embraced by governments, being a developer would probably become high status as every business may want to have their own currency. Being able to issue and administer one's own currency may be the highest status, highest leverage job imaginable. Like a financier or bank manager. Unfortunately, this is not possible in the current political environment. There is only one tightly controlled and regulated national currency and it mostly benefits lawyers, economists, politicians, CEOs, celebrities, influencers and a whole bunch of halfwits... Not developers.
I know this is said in jest, but I just want to remind people there is no such thing as being too valuable to be a member of a union. LeBron James is in a union. Tom Cruise is literally striking right now as part of the SAG-AFTRA union strike. Unless John Carmack happens to be reading this, I guarantee you are not close to being as valuable an engineer as LeBron is a basketball player or Cruise is an actor.
Just look at the amount of sincerely antisocial comments that boil down to effectively what I wrote above It’s disappointing but not surprising
Yes, unsurprisingly I've had these exact sorts of conversations at work (gamesdev).
Some of these people truly, truly believe that they are so gifted and so talented that the work opportunities will simply never dry up.
Damn. The market is already so tough for software engineers right now and the supply of engineers is going to increase again. I don't see how wages can drop lower than they are now. I think some engineers may have to consider a career in construction, plumbing, retail or other. Software development is just not worth the hassle and strain. Not to mention that it has become laborious, repetitive and inefficient without…
You and anyone reading this that thinks like this person: I implore you to talk to as many people as you can outside of the industry. Ask them about their job. Ask them about their perks and flexibility and how they're treated by their bosses and how they're evaluated and what their prospects are for promotion.
You have not a fucking clue how good you have it. If you did, you would be too embarrassed to write a comment like this.
2 months + 1 week per year at LinkedIn. Not good based on my experience with tech layoffs over the past few decades.
Compare to union shops though? I know of some factories that shut down for annual maintenance for several months every year, and they lay everyone off. There is another factory (same company) that works opposite months of the year so in theory people are laid off and just switch between the two factories, but depending on schedule and work needs you can be out of work for a while. I also know big projects often hire…
You're comparing situations in different industries with different economics, never mind the union situations.