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First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

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I wrote this for a different community (filled with semiliterate sophists), but this is absolutely huge and could upend huge swathes of understanding about the last two thousand years. You can avoid the longform essay below if you want. The short of it is there are several potentially common works possibly in the library that could directly prove or disprove what is found in the New Testament and the predicates of Ra…

So HN also has its crackpots.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

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This might count as one of the most extreme stories of data recovery I've seen. I wonder if in another 2000 years we'll have a "first file discovered on discarded hard drive platter".

"Spot robot dumpster dives in landfill and finds 100,000 bitcoins in discarded hard drive"

"We're working hard to figure out what this 'bitcoin' is, exciting times!"

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#143

See also Nat’s twitter announcement: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1712470683207532906 $700k is a life changing amount of money. I admit, it’s tempting to drop everything and go devote myself like a monk to the pursuit of ancient enlightenment via modern ML. I wonder where we’d start… It’s also funny that the scroll might just be a laundry list.

It's likely somehow a reference to the Emperor. Purple cloth was extremely rare and expensive, and it was the colour worn by the Emperors. Indeed, it eventually became a capital crime for people outside the Emperor's family to wear it. I don't know if that was yet true at the time of Vesuvius, although Wikipedia claims Caligula may have had someone killed for wearing purple.

Tyrian purple was so incredibly expensive that you would have had to do something illegal to get it unless you were already an incredibly wealthy noble with the right political connection.

Still interesting that they found that word. As far as I know the sea snail it comes from didn't inhabit the waters off Herculaneum.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#144
I highly recommend getting into classical literature. It is incredible and beyond conception — I had a light scattering in my education, but only later and recently have I discovered how incredible it can be.

Suggested Reading for beginners:

* Life of Pythagoras, by Iamblichus

* The Golden Ass, by Apuleius of Numenia (specifically, translation by Robert Graves)

* Life of Alexander by Plutarch

* Education of Cyrus by Xenophon

* Parmenides by Plato

Also, I have found SHWEP.net to be invaluable for a gentle yet rigorous guide through many classics, though it takes an esoteric bent (which I love)

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#145
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Indeed, it eventually became a capital crime for people outside the Emperor's family to wear it. Similarly, various Emperors far away in China had a similar enforced color-monopoly, except it was on yellow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_in_Chinese_culture#Yello...

Interesting. Does that mean the Yellow Turbans choose Yellow to demonstrate a lack of legitimacy for the Eastern Han emperor?

AFAICT the imperial color requirement came about a few hundred years later.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#146

See also Nat’s twitter announcement: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1712470683207532906 $700k is a life changing amount of money. I admit, it’s tempting to drop everything and go devote myself like a monk to the pursuit of ancient enlightenment via modern ML. I wonder where we’d start… It’s also funny that the scroll might just be a laundry list.

I don’t think people in those days wrote bullshit. You had to know how to write, and if you did, no one was entreating you to write grocery lists.

They absolutely did, we have plenty of proof of ancient romans and other cultures writing down jokes, little squabbles, "John was here" on walls etc, one of the oldest known pieces of writing is literally one merchant complaining to another merchant about some marble that wasn't as ordered.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why this is downvoted. Yes, in California half will go to taxes and the rest is enough for a downpayment on a shack. Hardly life changing.

Must be nice to be a billionaire. I'm a fairly well paid engineer and I would certainly consider a $700k gift to be life-changing.

It's not a gift, it's a prize, which you are only likely to get if you spend a fulltime effort on it (thus losing out on other income sources). There also is a deadline until end of the year (not sure what happens after that).

So it's more of a (skillful) gambling prize than a gift.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#148

I highly recommend getting into classical literature. It is incredible and beyond conception — I had a light scattering in my education, but only later and recently have I discovered how incredible it can be. Suggested Reading for beginners: * Life of Pythagoras, by Iamblichus * The Golden Ass, by Apuleius of Numenia (specifically, translation by Robert Graves) * Life of Alexander by Plutarch * Education of Cyrus by…

And now the size of the corpus may be about to explode! From the article:

> If these words are indeed what we think they are, this papyrus scroll likely contains an entirely new text, unseen by the modern world.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#149

I highly recommend getting into classical literature. It is incredible and beyond conception — I had a light scattering in my education, but only later and recently have I discovered how incredible it can be. Suggested Reading for beginners: * Life of Pythagoras, by Iamblichus * The Golden Ass, by Apuleius of Numenia (specifically, translation by Robert Graves) * Life of Alexander by Plutarch * Education of Cyrus by…

Life of Pythagoras was super influential to my life. I was very inspired by the way Pythagoras lived his life - a 100% commitment to finding out what is true, travelling all over the world amassing knowledge/practices/skills through humility, trying so many things out and finally spending so much of his life teaching. Pythagoras was probably the greatest philosopher ever. I also recommend reading about Archytas, one of his spiritual descendants, his thoughts on math, mechanics, music, learning and philosophy are amazing.

Re: First word discovered in unopened Herculaneum scroll by CS student

#150

The lettering was found by looking for 'crackle' texture on papyrus segments from the CT scans which obviously were in the shape of Greek letters, and annotating those as training data. Unfortunately such crackle texture isn't visible, at least by eye, on most of the papyrus. Probably it's only that visible where the ink was very thick. You can easily see the difference in texture in this electron microscope image [1…

I actually participated in the challenge for a little while and this was the approach I took before I dropped out to do a few other things. However, what I did was a bit different -- instead of looking for a crackle, I surmised that that 'crackling' effect actually is just of course slices of the data over different rifts in the parchment, and that the data of the ink lay on the manifold of that crackling and bending…

I, for one, would be interested in the code.
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