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Can a stock go to the left? If they figured out time-travel, I'm sure the board would be even happier. /s
Hah, I’m going to start using “down and to the left” the way people use “up and to the right” now
100 * 1000 = 100 000
101 * 900 = 90 900I've never heard anyone say anything bad about it - and we're still talking about a $10/month search engine. Something that has been historically free at all times.
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> Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account” [2]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-protection.html
They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account”. So you essentially have to make the same leap of faith as you would with a commercial VPN.
So, one meta-layer of discussion up: do we think the recent surge of Kagi discussion on HN is indicative of a real wave? Or is “picking a different search engine” gonna be something only 1% of users ever do again? I honestly think that even if Kagi does remain pretty niche ( serve that niche (so far… mostly HN-user-types, I would bet). But it seems hard to make money at that scale and with a non-advertising business…
Personally I'm optimistic that they'll actually grow fairly substantially from here. The search experience is far better than Google, especially for power users.
Main weakness is location based searches and quick answers being time lagged or lacking detail IMO. It seems to me only a matter of time until they close any gaps though.
Just chiming in here. My experience is: * Google search was good, but has been steadily getting worse. Over the last 1-3 years it's become actively unplesant. * DDG solves a lot of privacy issues, but the search quality is strictly worse than Google. I know people who use it preferentially, and I respect that, but personally Google search is already so bad than opting for something even worse is hard for me to accept…
But I used DDG for a few years prior and rarely ever used Google. I think DDGs results are subjective in that for some people they are better or as good than Google's.
Let's hope Kagi keep up the good work.
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Yes, although if you think about it a bit: With a VPN you're hoping there's no logs at all, and it's pretty easy for a VPN vendor - entirely by accident - to keep some logs around. And then a search warrant lands, they look around, find the logs, and the promise is broken. And it's entirely possible for that to happen by accident. So if I pay for a commercial VPN that claims they don't keep logs, I'm gambling on thei…
What if your searches are about something illegal? Wouldn’t Kagi have to comply with a search warrant? Pun weakly intended.
I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."
I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."
In my experience outside the niche of tech related content Kagi performed significantly worse than Google. Especially for content that was region specific and not just text natch based, like "children clothing stores in Boston"
I will say I have otherwise been using it as my daily search driver and as long as it’s not location aware it works great, oftentimes better than Google.
I should probably add in that kagi has some secret modes. If you precede the search query with `!expert` you get an LLM search response. If you precede it with `!code` you get a GPT-4-ish tuned response. It’s… really good. And since you can do it from a browser bar if you make it your default browser, I find myself reaching for !expert at least 50% as often as ChatGPT these days. Also, it’s extremely good with citati…
Neither !expert nor !code prefixes work for me.
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They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account”. So you essentially have to make the same leap of faith as you would with a commercial VPN.
Yes, although if you think about it a bit: With a VPN you're hoping there's no logs at all, and it's pretty easy for a VPN vendor - entirely by accident - to keep some logs around. And then a search warrant lands, they look around, find the logs, and the promise is broken. And it's entirely possible for that to happen by accident. So if I pay for a commercial VPN that claims they don't keep logs, I'm gambling on thei…
Then there’s a non-zero chance that either the VPN or the search or both are actually honeypots which not only log everything, but have a whole monitoring and alerting machine setup.
You’re more trusting than I. I assume the VPNs are no where near anonymous. I assume paid search is no more private than any other search. I assume the government doesn’t get or need warrants to know what we do online (do you think Prism just went away or hasn’t been replaced with a superior iteration?)
If anything paid search is more privacy invading than free ones. With free ones when logged out they know your IP which could serve any number of people so it wouldn’t be shocking that the searches being look into came from someone else on your connection and not you (tor relies on this), whereas with paid search you must be signed in to use, with an email address tied to you and a cc tied to you, all plausible deniability goes out the window.